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How to archive the Village pump

Don't archive too soon, unless the number of topics approaches 70, or the page is over 200 kB. Archiving topics that have received no replies for about two weeks is the standard, so determine a suitable cutoff date. I usually pick Tuesdays or Wednesdays, as I assume most contributions occur on the weekends, and the least midweek.

It's best to use trusty Unicode-compatible text editor for the archiving process, preferably with incremental search.

Edit the Village Pump and copy all wikitext to the text editor. Find the first topic that was created on the day after the cutoff day, by searching for the date. Check to see that the signature you found belongs to a topic-starting post, and not just a reply. Once you've made sure of this, copy all wikitext after the archive only below this line but before the post you've found, and paste it into another text editor window.

Now, here comes the tedious part. In this new window, which contains the old posts, start from the top and search for the next date. If you find one, in a third window, type the name of the topic so you can find it again. Repeat this process for all the dates between the day after your cutoff date and the current day (per UTC).

Once you have a list of topics that did receive relatively recent replies, cut these topics in their entirety and in order and paste them back into the recent topics file.

Then, open a new browser tab, and go to Commons:Village pump archive. Open the latest archive and increment its number by one in the address bar; this will bring you to a page that doesn't exist yet. Edit it, and paste your old topics into the page. Add "{{Village pump archives}}" as the first line. Save the page with a description of "archiving YYYY-MM-DD / YYYY-MM-DD" where the two dates are the first and last dates that occur in the topics; they should be in ISO 8601 format. Copy this summary to the clipboard: you will need it later.

Then, go to {{Village pump archives}} and add a link to your archive following the pattern. Put "+ archive-n" in the description, where "n" is the number. Finally, go to Commons:Village pump archive and add a new link following the pattern again, pasting the dates from the clipboard. In the description, put "+ archive-n" yet again.

Then, edit the Commons:Village pump, select all, and paste your recent topics over everything. Put "archiving to archive-n YYYY-MM-DD / YYYY-MM-DD" as the edit summary. Preview first, to see if it looks okay, and you have not broken anything. If it does, go ahead and save. Hopefully, you will not have edit conflicts, but if it complains, you will have to reconcile the two versions before you save.

Personal note: customarily, at least in recent times, I'm the archiver of the Village pump, and you should leave the task to me; not because I'm so arrogant, but because I'm a perfectionist, and I'll even clean up some of the archives even more in the near future (especially the early ones). Plus, this is a labor-intensive task, so why take it from me if I'm crazy enough to do it? :) However, this is just an advice. You are certainly welcome to perform archivings, and I hope this guide will prove to be useful to you. —UED77 18:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic guide, UED77! I did it and the sky hasn't caved in yet. :)

Maybe 2 weeks is too long, though... the board is still fricking huge. pfctdayelise (translate?) 10:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard

I've now created a stub called Commons:Administrators' noticeboard. Still not sure what to make of it, but it should be better that vandalism reports be made some other place than here.

Is it OK if I add this page to the top of the Village pump, and mention it on the Community portal?

Fred Chess 16:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

OK with me. NielsF 22:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Fred, I was just thinking of this myself... I'm glad someone went ahead and took action on it. Cary "Bastique" Bass ^parler _voir 22:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Divisions

it's time to archive... :) Who wants to divide this page?

• Commons:Village pump/Copywrights
• Commons:Village pump/Quality
• Commons:Village pump/Promotion (promotion of Commos in Wikipedias)
• Commons:Village pump/Others?

It's only suggestion ;) Przykuta 10:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

We already have an archive. See the instructions at the top of this page. You are welcome to follow them. pfctdayelise (translate?) 12:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

And with regards to splitting the pump into a number of sections — personally I think that's a bad idea since this page doesn't have the level of traffic to make it neccessary. It would just end up with four quite stagnant pages! Thanks/wangi 15:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

And not to mention the logistical considerations of someone having to decide what goes into what section. Cary "Bastique" Bass ^parler _voir 18:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

A slight change...

I was bold and moved the header to /Header and included it, as I think it's better to keep the actual VP page smaller. I also added a bit about how our answers are not legal advice. Yonatan ^talk 00:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Village pump down?

Am I the only one who cannot access the village pump at the moment? --rimshot^talk 15:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I think a speed issue maybe - lots of nothing happening for me too! --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Same here :( -- Bryan (talk to me) 18:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Given the length of time something more serious? Still like it (grr) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 19:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

On again now Bryan --Herby ^{talk thyme} 19:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

We have found the problem and are working to a solution. -- Bryan (talk to me) 19:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I have emailed oversight, as just looking at the page history crashes/severely slows all of Commons. -Nard 21:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

We could also just delete the malicious revisions, or just wait for the devs to fix the issue. -- Bryan (talk to me) 22:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't get the page to even load, what is the issue? -Nard 22:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

A page linked to from the page had corrupted mediawiki-internal metadata. It was flushed by a developer and the problem went away.--Gmaxwell 07:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Unclear wording

A question arose at the Help desk about the wording in this phrase, which may not make sense to new users:

• "If you want to ask why unfree/non-commercial material is not allowed at Wikimedia Commons..."

Reference:

• Commons:Help desk#is the phrase "unfree/non-commercial material is not allowed" a typo or a new definition? (permanent link)

To fix the ambiguity, I suggest:

• Replace the "/" character with the word "or".
• Link each of the jargon terms "unfree" and "non-commercial material" to sections that clearly define them.

Unfortunately, I am not finding coherent definitions of these terms to link to. Commons:Licensing and Commons:Project scope mention the terms in passing, as if the reader should already be familiar with them. Commons needs a Glossary. I might start one. --Teratornis (talk) 22:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Language versions

Would there be a problem wiht creating redirects from subpages, such as Commons:Village pump/sv--> Commons:Bybrunnen, to the different languaged village pumps? It would make it easier to find a specific Village Pump if you don't speak the language. /Lokal_Profil 20:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems to me like a good idea that was never followes up. - Jmabel ! talk 04:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Archival

Something has gone wrong with the correct section headers and archiving. We have 2 old sections (from Feb 19 and March 5), and the next daily header is May 18. In between the March and May headers are numerous sections from May. I'm not going to do anything manually for fear of messing the archive bot up.--Nilfanion 10:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Improvement on COM:VP "welcome" template

Especially from the point of view of not-native English speakers, I'd suggest following changes, to prevent visitors to have to read "stuff" which is useless to their belongs:

• 1. Have you read the FAQ? (if something ist treated by FAQ, anything below would be "noise".)
• 2. Please do not make deletion requests here: use the relevant process for it instead.
• 3. For technical support and ANY graphics talks (PNG, SVG, GIF, etc.), please post on the Graphics village pump
• 3+. To ask for image improvement, see the Graphic Lab School. To be omitted, as actually treated within (3).
• 4. Copyright policy - [...] this is kind of trivial -- it applies to anything in WP. Put it, but last-but-one or even last (last-but-one being the imo better place)
• 5. Advice - Any answers you receive here are not legal advice and the responder cannot be held liable for them. If you have legal questions, we can try to help but our answers cannot replace those of a qualified professional (ie. a lawyer).

Best, --WeHaWoe 18:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Pumping stale water?

The Pump starts with Nov 27 section. Rich Farmbrough, 03:07 3 June 2009 (GMT).

The sections after it are unsigned, so that the archiving bot does not know when they were last edited. --rimshot^talk 06:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Translation requests on village pumps

Should the Wikimedia commons continue to allow translation requests (including lengthy ones involving entire categories and category trees) posted on village pump pages, or should it have a new system to deal with those requests?

While Commons:Requests for translation exists, it is not watched and has seen little activity. A user even proposed it for deletion here: Commons:Deletion requests/Commons:Requests for translation due to lack of activity. Unless/until this page is actively followed and users who post there have a reasonable expectation of having their requests fulfilled, this page will not work as an alternative to the village pumps.

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Can't we establish such a rule: all requests posted here must be moved there, leaving only a short-described link--Pierpao.lo (listening) 20:07, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully this helps.--Chaser (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I suppose it depends on the frequency, but VP seems by far the better place then the site notice. Currently it reads "Also, please add translations to Template:Change media file, which is used to translate the link that allows you to swap the proposed MotD for a different file." -- User:Docu at 10:54, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Image

Sample, see discussion at Commons:Village pump#The village pump is too heavy. -- User:Docu at 06:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Not that bad of an idea. Always the same image gets a bit boring about the time, so a dynamic image change might be nice, especially as Commons is an image database. However, this idea might get more attention on the village pump itself rather than on its talk page. --The Evil IP address (talk) 15:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

 Support from me as well. --DieBuche (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Old manual pump in Fetonte Place Crespino, province of Rovigo [add]

I propose we set it so that the village pump image rotates. I have created the template {{Village pump image}} that handles this function. It currently only has 6 images which consists of the current image and 5 others that I randomly picked. Feel free to update the list. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 09:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

TOC broken

Somehow the TOC doesn't display anymore. Additions to Commons:Village pump/Header somehow make added link breaks to most section headings in the TOC. --  Docu  at 20:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I did "something" with the header template, and it is "different" now. Hopefully better for you. –Be..anyone (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

TOC is better, thank you. --  Docu  at 05:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

↓ Skip to the last discussion ↓

I added it to show it (in order to better discute) and because in It Wikipedia we use it frequently but if here it's not standard please rollback. Thanks--Pierpao.lo (listening) 19:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

A flickrmail regarding PD-Afghanistan

We have had numerous recent discussions of the status of intellectual property rights in Afghanistan. I am recording here a flickrmail I sent to a prolific flickr uploader who has made regular long stays in Afghanistan.

Can you help me out? You make regular visits to Afghanistan. Over on the the wikimedia commons we have been having considerable discussion over a 2008 decree from Karzai -- establishing an Afghan copyright law. The translation we have of this decree seems to only protect images that are taken in an "innovative mode" The wording of the translation, taken at face value, seems to imply that simple pictures are not protected. Some people think this is an abvious bad translation. No one knows what an "innovative mode" is. One question I have had is whether this was just a nominal decree, without any infrastructure set up to monitor or enforce it. Can I ask whether you heard of this copyright decree, when it was made.? Had you heard of it prior to this flickrmail? It seemed to me that the flip side for Afghan news agencies, like Pahjwok, for not having their images protected in the rest of the world is that they could freely use any image from the rest of the world. Have you noticed any sign that Afghan news agencies were showing any respect for the copyrights of images from outside Afghanistan? Cheers!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo Swan (talk • contribs)

Why did you post this here? Killiondude (talk) 08:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)