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is it too hard...

...to understand, that the original description by the Bundesarchiv not has to be changed as an historical document like here? Please undo the changes there as fast as possible. Marcus Cyron (talk) 04:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I did not noticed that some of the replacements were made in the Bundesarchiv no-touch part of the description. I will fix. --Jarekt (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

All fixed. --Jarekt (talk) 04:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately you didn't fixed all changes like here (the original title only mentions the christian name of the photographer, not the first name. the same here - we only know the last name (although we ASSUME that the photo was taken by Herbert Ahrens, but we have no proof). Please also fix all photos in the Category Photos by August Ahrens as fast as possible! --Bundesarchiv-B6 (talk) 22:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I double-checked all the changes within the do-not-touch-zone were undone. I changed all Stempka images but I left all August Ahrens ones. See Category:Photographs by August Ahrens. --JarektBot (talk) 04:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

---Why don't you change the Ahrens-photos? See Marcus Cyrons comment from 4 February 2009 (UTC). Also: where is the proof, that the full first name of "A. Ahrens" is "August"? Do you find documents and / or pictures in archives? The Federal Archives have only the abbreviation. - People regard documents of the Federal Archives as authentical historical sources. Changes are a kind of historical misrepresentation and manipulation, so please: revert your changes! --Bundesarchiv-B6 (talk) 12:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Photo credits of Warsaw Uprising photos found in "Berliner Zeitung" Nr. 15 from 1944-10-19 list the photographer as August Ahrens. --Jarekt (talk) 12:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Absence of bot flag?

I suspect, that this account hasn't a bot flag. If i choose to hide bots in "recent changes" and in "my watchlist", the changes made by JarektBot are visible despite it. It is impossible to monitor the ordinary edits in these days. --ŠJů (talk) 14:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure what is a Bot flag. But this is an approved ABW Bot (see Commons:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage). --JarektBot (talk) 15:46, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Please lower your edit rate, you are disrupting recent changes monitoring. If you want to edit this fast, please ask for a bot flag on Commons:Bots/Requests for flags. Thanks, Patrícia ^msg 12:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

OK I will slow down. I also applied for the bot flag today. Somehow I was under impression that approved ABW Bots had "bot flags", but apparently that is not the case. I apologize for disruption. --JarektBot (talk) 17:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem with {{own}} replacements

Hi, your bot is not always doing the replacements nicely, see here and here for instance (the "by uploader" should be removed). You should have a look at your bot's contributions. --Eusebius (talk) 10:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Will do.--JarektBot (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I corrected all that I found with this problem. --JarektBot (talk) 04:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Eusebius (talk) 06:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Template "coordinate" vs. "location"

Hello there!

Please stop changing template "coordinate" to template "location" (like here)! I really don't like the "location" template -- I don't want google commercials here -- and there is absolutely no reason to change (in this direction).

-- Serpens ?! 12:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, about the changes but we are in process of consolidating dozens of hardly used geocoding templates into few templates based on a single layout. We are doing it to ease template maintenance. There were only a one or two hundred files using coordinate template. --Jarekt (talk) 02:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I understand that and I am abolutely for consolidating different templates to one or few templates. But please use a template without that awful Google ad (maybe put a direct link to uncommercial OpenStreetMap). Why not move to Coor_d?

-- Serpens ?! 11:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure what is the "Google ad". Location templates have links to scripts that show location of the Wiki images on top of a map. The scripts are written to use google maps and/or google earth engines. If this is what you object to please voice your concerns at Template talk:Location or Commons talk:Geocoding. I personally find those links very handy and use them a lot. --Jarekt (talk) 14:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Location

Hi, see this edit: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Holl%C3%A4nder_M%C3%BChle_Baumgartenbr%C3%BCck_(1).JPG&diff=20179193&oldid=19539886 and my fix after it, you forgot the N and E in the template, don't know if it is by hand, or automatic via AWB, but maybe you should look at it. Please answer on my dutch talkpage if needed. Akoopal (talk) 17:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, you may want to remove the degree signs (I think). See [1]. Rocket000 (talk) 18:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

You got to it just before I did. After each run related to location templates I monitor Category:Media with erroneous locations where most of the problematic changes end up.

Ok, I didn't notice the category. Rocket000 (talk) 18:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Own work substitutions

The second replacement here[2] , [3], [4] was not appropriate as it was in the upload history which shouldn't really be modified. Can the bot be modified to not edit ==history== type sections, or ensure that the {{information}} templates that it edits are not in < nowiki></ nowiki> blocks? Thanks. --Tony Wills (talk) 02:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

You are right - I will skip pages with < nowiki>--JarektBot (talk) 03:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :-), Do you know if there is a way to find and revert all the extra substitutions? --Tony Wills (talk) 03:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

This is on-going problem of bot replacements - there are parts of image description code which ideally should not be changed like history section or original image description of images from Category:Bundesarchiv. I do not know of a way to search for images where changes were made to no-touch sections. We do not even have consistent marking of such sections. --Jarekt (talk) 14:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

"License information" (alternate old header)

Should also be replaced with the localised header. Ingolfson (talk) 06:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I added it. --Jarekt (talk) 12:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

{{Infobox aircraft image}} and imagesource

Hi! The bot is changing[5] imagesource parameter to imageSource in {{Infobox aircraft image}} template causing template to fail. --Apalsola ^{t • c} 08:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I will look into it. --Jarekt (talk) 12:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I modified slightly {{Infobox aircraft image}} so edits like that should not cause problems. --Jarekt (talk) 13:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Bot edits

Please mark bot edits as minor edits.--Anatoliy (talk) 08:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, will do --JarektBot (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

own photo not the same as own work

Hello, I just saw [6] and wanted to mention, that there are countries, where it matters if it is only a "own photo" or a "own work". For example in countries with no freedom of panorama. So these changes should not be made by a bot.

I am sorry but I do not see much difference between own photo and own work, and how freedom of panorama is related to the discussion. Could you elaborate more? --Jarekt (talk) 01:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Jałowe zmiany

Zamiast robić jałowe zmiany typu: localization, Replaced: == Summary == → == Summary ==, == Licensing == → ==Licensing==, Source=Praca własna osoby przesyłającej (own work by uploa using AWB) dla nowo ładowanych plików warto by zmienić szablon ładowania plików, tak by tego typu zmiany były wprowadzane automatycznie już przy ładowaniu plików do Wikipedia Commons (po polsku). Bez tego Twoja praca i praca osób zajmujących się podobnymi sprawami nigdy się nie skończy! Lukas 3z (talk) 06:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Zgadzam się. Było wiele dyskusji na ten temat I wygląda na to że zmiana procesu ładowania plików jest dosyć trudna i wymaga zmiany oprogramowania. O ile mi wiadomo nikt się tego jeszcze nie podjął. Więc w między czasie to zadanie spada na boty. Mój bot nie tylko pracuje nad nowo ładowanymi plikami, bo wciąż jest wiele starych które jeszcze nie zostały zmienione. --Jarekt (talk) 12:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Category:Photographs by Richard Peter from 1945

Thats incorrect. The photos are labled "after 17 September 1945" and similar. They are taken between 1945 and 1977, but not necessarily in 1945. I dont think a categorization by photographer by year is helpful in any way, it only clutters the source information categories and not provides more value. Better help categorizing the images by location by year, thats usefull and thats something people locking for. --Martin H. (talk) 10:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

My mistake. I assumed that images labeled after specific day would be images soon after such day not from 1977. I will have closer look at that group, but in the mean time I do not re-categorize them. I was working on organizing large creator categories. I like browsing by author and sometimes run into those enormous categories which are very hard to brouse. I agree with need for "by location", and if too big "by location by year" categories but since I do not speak German I prefer to leave that to others. I hope to provide "by year" and "by author" categories. --JarektBot (talk) 14:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Also File:Fotothek df ps 0003204 Festarchitektur.jpg, 1964/1977 means something between 1964 and 1977, not 1964. For many photographs by Richard Peter the categorization is wrong. File:Fotothek df ps 0000011 Junge Frau schält Kartoffeln während der Stromsperre bei .jpg, ca (um = around) is not very exact, File:Fotothek df ps 0000279 002 Beladen von Lastkraftwagenzügen mit Greiferbagger. Ba.jpg nach (after) is not at, "after 1950" also fits on today. --Martin H. (talk) 22:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I will make sure to fix files with those imprecise dates before continuing. --Jarekt (talk) 20:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Wrong category name

Please fix the category Category:Architectur by Walther Hermann Ryff to Category:Architecture by Walther Hermann Ryff, thank you.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

In this case Architectur is the name of the book which is usually kept in the original language, just like Category:Geometria by Augustin Hirschvogel (not Geometry) or Category:Astronomiae instauratae mechanica. --Jarekt (talk) 15:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

ok, I got it wrong :).--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem and thanks for monitoring. --Jarekt (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Description line in Creator templates

Hello Jarekt, if I understand the version history of some {{Creator}} templates correctly, then your JarektBot has inserted the line

| Description = <!--{{CountryAdjective|XX}} {{occupation|XX}} -->

into many {{Creator}} templates. This is fine, but now we have the template {{NationAndOccupation}} which will translate better to the different languages the user may select. Could your bot change that lines again from

<!--{{CountryAdjective|XX}} {{occupation|XX}} -->

to something like

<!--{{NationAndOccupation|x|XX|XX}}-->

? This would prevent users from using the {{CountryAdjective}} and {{occupation}} templates directly and encourage them to use the new {{NationAndOccupation}} template instead. Best, --Aristeas (talk) 15:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I added this comment line to make addition of description easier. I will change them to the new format. --Jarekt (talk) 16:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

This is fine! Thank you very much! --Aristeas (talk) 19:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Decades

Hello. If the bot is going to create categories such as this one, it would be great if it used the word "the" before the decade (e.g. "the 1890s"). Thanks. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Opps, you are right. I will fix it. --Jarekt (talk) 15:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Blocked

This bot was stoped following Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Vandalism#JarektBot_.28talk.C2.A0.C2.B7_contributions.29. Please comment there. --Martin H. (talk) 10:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Template Lifetime

Hi, I have see this edit. It's wrong, because I used the Template:Lifetime which add in automatic DEFAULTSORT (third parameter).--B3t (talk) 14:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I have never heard of {{Lifetime}} it is used on less than 200 categories and it unfortunatelly hides DEFAULTSORT so it is hard to test if a category is missing it or not. It seems like large fraction of categories in category:People by alphabet were missing it and my bot was trying to add it if not present. Also I was there a problem with having it? it is redundant but at least it is clear that it is there. --Jarekt (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Today's Bad Edits

My bot did some bad edits today. I am cleaning it up. See here --Jarekt (talk) 01:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Problem with last names

I have left a message detailing the issue at "Commons:Village pump#Asked: bot for DEFAULTSORT". — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 09:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT

There's a problem here: [7]. The bot is not leaving the last name as the sortname. Moondyne (talk) 01:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I corrected this instance. See discussion here about details of this run, but the short version of the story is that after some issues were raised that some names should be in the (name1 name2) order and some should be in (name2, name1) order, than it was decided to sort them by hand into which category should use which style of sorting. The pages used for sorting are here 1, 2, 3, 4. So far the work was mostly done by User:Havang(nl), but we would like much broder participation. User:JarektBot only implements what user decide. And in this instance I agree that the (name2, name1) sorting style should have been used. --JarektBot (talk) 01:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Keep up the good work. Moondyne (talk) 01:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

JarektBot misbehaving!

Hi!

I found out that on hundreds of my uploads (botanical drawings from the 19th and early 20th century) your bot has been active. I presume there is a reason for that, although I can't figure it out. Unfortunately, on some files, like this, there is added or moved " }} " (end-of-template) which completely ruins the layout of the page. Will you please stop using this bot, at least on pages that I uploaded or edited? And can you be so kind as to revert all of the edits your bot made to these pages? I can send you a copy of my watchlist, if that can be of any help to you, but I warn you: it's really a very long list!
I hope you correct your misbehaving bot!

Greetings,
Maarten Sepp (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Please look at page history here

Valuable info is deleted. Please stop this nonsense, if you're not able to write a good bot than don't try it! No hard feelings, though, I presume you intended to do something good, but it should be best if you could revert all of these damaging edits.

Gr., Maarten Sepp (talk) 09:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Maarten, My bot is adding Creator templates to PD-Art files using {{subst:}} parser function. I run it on over 100k files by now and it only misbehaves if there are [[links]] with end of line inside them in the author field. That almost never happens, except (so far) for a few files of yours I found. Once I noticed that I stopped my bot and I corrected all your files with that problem, but I guess I missed some. I will go through your files and try to fix this problem again. Please see other edits of my bot in last week to see what it was supposed to do. --Jarekt (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into this problem! I'm very glad with your explanation, it really improved my mood! If you missed some or the bad edits, that's no problem at all, sooner or later I'll see them and can correct them myself. Kind greetings,Maarten Sepp (talk) 06:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I am quite sure I corrected all the cases where {{Information}} template was broken. The second type of problem caused by "|Author=|Author=" was more tricky. I modified my bot to recognize it in the future and corrected all the cases I have found. --Jarekt (talk) 15:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again for your quick action. Maarten Sepp (talk) 08:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Header change

Hi Jarekt, unless you count on doing the other 8 million pages, would you remove this from your replacements ( == {{int:license}} == → == {{int:license-header}} == ) ? -- User:Docu at 05:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

ok --JarektBot (talk) 22:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Not only code cleanup

Hi, sorry to stop your bot, but please do not make edits that have no visible effect like http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:AisleOfPines.png&diff=prev&oldid=37895212 http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Airship_types_1920.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=37895195

Ok. See here for related discussion. --JarektBot (talk) 22:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Not doing anything?

Hi, something is not working, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Anuncia%C3%A7%C3%A3o_-_Catedral_Bas%C3%ADlica_de_Salvador_-_Bahia.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=37934526 http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:AntonioRV%C3%A1zquez_de_Mondrag%C3%B3n.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=37934391 http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:AntoniodeUlloa.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=37934377

I know about those and can not prevent them. See Template_talk:Creator#Adding_creator_templates_to_the_pages_that_do_not_use_them_.28again.29. --JarektBot (talk) 11:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Use of {{int:license-header}}

Hi Jarekt, I think your bot is not running. So I post here. Please do not use {{int:license-header}} your bot is actually the only bot, that uses this new created template. I think the creation of this template was the completely wrong implementation of a bug request I was involved. Please considere the use of {{int:license}}. Empijbot statet the use of this older template and added it in about 2 Million Images. It is simply not wise to undo all these changes, when there is a much more simple solution: Simply change the one other use of the template, in the upload form. --Schlurcher (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Me again :-). As you use AWB like my, there is the option Skip if "only minor repleacements made". You can use that option to implement the code-cosmetic changes mentioned 2 sections above. Check the "Minor" Button after the corresponding replacement tasks and you can do these changes. But if no other is done it will skip the page. Happy botting. --Schlurcher (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

And again :-). I forgot it so I mention it, if you use Skip if "only minor repleacements made" you should add all the three general skip options Skip->No changes are made, Only whitespace is change and Only casing is change. Otherwise the bot will save other automatic code cosmetic without any of the other changes and that should be prevented. --Schlurcher (talk) 16:33, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I am quite confused about those headers. I will ask on Village Pump about it. I think text of {{int:license-header}} is better than {{int:license}}. I do not think there is a need to change existing ones but AFAIK it is preferred format. Thanks for tips about minor changes I will try them. This particular run is extra tricky since for many files I am using "OriginalAuthorLine" logic (see here). As a result I am making a lot of edits which after substitution end up with the same page text as the original and which does not count as an edit and does not shows up in the file history. However as a result I can not use skip options like Skip->No changes are made, Only whitespace is change and Only casing is change, since as far as AWB knows I am changing a lot. I am also getting some whitespace only changes this way too. --Jarekt (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Tanks for the answer, unfortunatly I cannot help you with your AWB own modules, as I only use AWB and hope it does what I want ;-). Please keep me posted on the use of int:license-header, if there is a decision. As long as there is no decision I use int:license, as it is used Millions of times, it is even better to live with the colon, than to change 3 Million images. --Schlurcher (talk) 18:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Double cat

JarektBot added a category that was already attributed to the image through its main category hierarchy. It's no big deal, just pointing out it might not be useful. --Pethrus (talk) 07:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I was only replacing category added by creator:titan with category added directly to the image while fixing autocategorizing creator page. If images were overcategorized before than they will still be afterward, but this time it will be possible to fix it by hand. --Jarekt (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the explanation. --Pethrus (talk) 13:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Double vertical birth/death categorization

Hello, your bot has added a creator template to his category. I think the {{Creator}} template automatically adds birth/death catogories (by year) and maybe reduces them if already contained in category. But this one category was already listed in new specific month birth/death categories, so now it is vertically listed twice (Category:1883 births × Category:November 1883 births, Category:1933 deaths × Category:January 1933 deaths) and I do not know how to remove only categories for years. Thx for helping. --Gumruch (talk) 00:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Canary Wharf is not a person

You added Category:People by name to Category:Canary Wharf, but it isn't a person. I reverted your edit. edward (talk) 23:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I was adding Category:People by name to subcategories of Category:People of the United States by occupation which did not have that category and which sound like peoples names. I somehow missed that one. --Jarekt (talk) 03:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Whitespace removal

Was it intentional for this edit to only remove whitespace?--Rockfang (talk) 12:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

No this script was adding Museum:Louvre to files and mostly skipping files without {{information}} or {{painting}} templates. I will try to improve it before running again. --Jarekt (talk) 15:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Sutton Hoo helmet

Hello Jarekt, your useful bot did this. It added the information about the location of the object shown on the picture. But actually the object is not located in the British Museum, the object is only a replica of an object located there. And the picture was taken in East Anglia. Could you explain how the bot works? Thank you --Ziko (talk) 13:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Bot was adding Museum:British Museum infobox to files in subdirectories of Category:Collections of the British Museum. I thought I verified all sub directories to ensure that they do contain objects from the museum, but I missed Category:Sutton Hoo which should have been excluded. I cleaned it up. --Jarekt (talk) 13:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Painting

Hi your bot think Bassar Frieze 1052.jpg and dozens of others are paintings .... they are scupltures and lack any paint in modern times Victuallers (talk) 10:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

See template:Painting: "{{Painting}} is an alternative to {{Information}} template used for the description of images of artworks, especially those residing in museums or galleries" --Jarekt (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

gallery parameter

Why did the Bot remove the gallery parameter in [8]? --UrLunkwill (talk) 20:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

That is very strange I am not sure why it was processed twice either. I also can not reproduce it same image (with reversed change) and the same script. --Jarekt (talk) 03:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

File:Édouard Manet - The Artist (Detail of the dog).jpg Duplicate parameter

Hi JarektBot, The bot adds a weird double parameter here which screws up the page –Krinkle^talk 22:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

a few more –Krinkle^talk 22:53, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Last Febuary/March I went through all the files in PD-old and checked if given author has a creator page and when he did than added it. See here for source code. I think it doubled the number of Creator pages, but with some fraction of images the code did not worked correctly. I did not see this problem before. I checked all Manet files and fixed another dozen. Thanks --Jarekt (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

add DEFAULTSORT

I noticed that this bot wrongly added DEFAULTSORT for many Chinese people. The family name of Chinese is at first, like Wang Jingwei's family name is "Wang", not "Jingwei". So it should be {{DEFAULTSORT:Wang, Jingwei}}, not {{DEFAULTSORT:Jingwei, Wang}}. Please fix this problem. Thank you. (Besides, if a Chinese descent person have a western name, he/she will put the family name at last to blend into the western tradition, like Gordon G. Chang.)--Stevenliuyi (talk) 08:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I'm also Stevenliuyi's side. I consider these defaultsorts are misunderstanding about Chinese name. I hope correct these mistakes immideately, JarektBot. --天竺鼠 (talk) 08:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Same problem with Japanese names, and with - at least - one band's name (Taj Mahal Trio -> Trio, Taj Mahal). --Tsui (talk) 17:54, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Please stop adding Defaultsort!Your bot has serious problem!--天竺鼠 (talk) 22:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I am aware of the order used in Chinese and Japanese tradition - it is always one of the issue when adding DEFAULTSORTs. As I was explaining in Commons:Bots/Work_requests#adding_defaultsort_to_Category:People_by_name the work is usually done about once a year and it takes several steps:

1. Find categories missing defaultsort (there were about 10k of them)
2. Split the list in a spreadsheet into 4 groups:

• Names needing "last word first" sort order
• Names needing "first word first" sort order
• Names too complicated for the bot
• Asian sounding names

1. Add defaultsort to first two groups
2. Process last 2 groups with help from other bots or human volunteers (still to be done).

If there are any issues with the edits it is not due to the bot but due to my mistakes of separating 10k names, you can see all 4 groups on user:Jarekt/a. I will cross-check categories to which I added "last word first" sort against subcategories of Category:People of China by occupation (same for Japan) and change them to "first word first" sort. Other than that If you give me list of categories I missed I will be happy to correct them. --Jarekt (talk) 04:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Replacement

Hi, in [9] the bot replaced official Esperanto form "Rusujo" to unofficial *Rusio*. It shouldn't change translations that are previously embedded manually, could you please correct it? Anyway, what source does the bot uses for the translations? Thanks, --Petrus Adamus (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I am using interwiki links, and article name for Russia on Esperanto wikipedia is eo:Rusio. If it is not correct please correct it there first. --Jarekt (talk) 03:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

It is a bit complicated: there are more forms, the ones are official, the others are unofficial, tolerated but more used. Because there are Esperantists preferring the ones and also others using the other forms, there was a voting in the Esperanto Wikipedia that decided individual users may use their preferred form and the others shouldn't change it on a concrete place. Because most articles about countries founded several Esperantists preferring the unofficial forms, the titles remained unofficial. Nevertheless, there are also some official titles mixed, such as Egiptujo. So, unfortunatelly there are two systems mixed in the titles, it is not good to copy the unhappy state to Commons. When a human user understanding the problematic makes a new translation or change of a previous state made by bot or Esperanto not understanding user, the form (official versus unofficial) should not by changed by other user. Please, don't do it personally and set the bot to omit previously translated items. Thanks, --Petrus Adamus (talk) 08:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Petrus, I am all done with geographical location templates and I am not planning on any more such edits in near future. I usually prefer to use the form used by the wikipedia article as that form is decided by consensus or at least majority of the users in a given language. Using different forms here only adds to the confusion, but if you want to change them by my guest. Unfortunately it is quite possible those links will be updated periodically to sink them with the current Interlanguage links and that might overwrite your changes, but since this process is still mostly manual even if done from user:JarektBot account this will likely not be very frequent. --Jarekt (talk) 15:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Animals being tagged as People by name

Animals with birth or death dates are being put in Category:People by name by JarektBot. See, for example, this edit. Perhaps items in Category:Animals and its subcategories should be skipped. If that category is too large to search, maybe just exclude Category:Famous animals and Category:Pets and subcategories instead. There does not seem to be a Category:Animals by name, except for Category:Famous horses by name. There is a very small chance that famous plants (old trees, etc.) might be tagged with death dates also. --Closeapple (talk) 05:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

It seems to happen as some add animals into categories for people, e.g. at Category:Eight Bells. It should be fixed by removing these from all people categories. --  Docu  at 07:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, there are a lot of categories with deathdates which have nothing to do with people, but I did not check for animals. I will do a separate sweep trying to identify animals in "People by name". Thanks for letting me know. --Jarekt (talk) 12:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Creator substitutions

Hello, there is a problem when there are two authors, your bot is omitting one (example). Even when there is one author, your bot is leaving some mess after the Creator template (example). --Gumruch (talk) 07:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

The same problem occured here. --René Mettke (talk) 10:56, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Two author problem that is my mistake in the spreadsheet but single creator issue is due bad substitution. I will try to find and fix other places with those problems. --JarektBot (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I am running the bot again to fix all authors with "|" in the line. --JarektBot (talk) 04:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for solving. --Gumruch (talk) 08:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Please don't create creator templates with the name of redirected categories. To make things worse, your creator templates cannot be moved by bots. --Foroa (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

There are still some I will have to either revert or do by hand and than I will look for double authors I mishandled. --Jarekt (talk) 13:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, same issues again—[10][11] The second one even broke the description table, as it leaved }} (closing breakets). --Gumruch (talk) 11:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Fixing again. I will stop adding creator templates untill I wind a better way. --JarektBot (talk) 12:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, [12] deleted the name of the photographer.--Prosfilaes (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Correcting creators is a manual process. I download content of the author's field from files in Category:Creator template home categories without creator template. Than I check in Excel if it matches any creator's names and if it does I mark which one. Latter I use AWB to upload corrections to each file. It seems like in some cases I edited files which were better left untouched. I went back and checked diff's of about 50-100 files from that day and great majority is exactly as intended, but I found few more where I replaced more complete information about authorship with single creator template. --Jarekt (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Redirects

Please don't insert creator templates for (long standing) redirected categories. To make things worse, the category move bots cannot move the creator templates. --Foroa (talk) 09:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

My bot adding creator templates to categories was skipping categories with "Category redirect" string. Can you give me examples of incorrect insertions? --Jarekt (talk) 13:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

User:RussBot/category redirect log where the move failed (1 found, 0 moved). --Foroa (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I went through all "1 found, 0 moved" in the report and none was touched by my bot. I will go through categories I added creator to yesterday and check for redirects. --Jarekt (talk) 18:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Error in nationality codes

I was looking at some pictures and creator details recently, and noticed a mistake which was introduced by this bot here. That appears to be the incorrect nationality code, as "BR" seems to produce 'Brazilian', when in fact that photographer was English. Do you know what went wrong here? Can you fix it? And can you identify if your bot did this more than once? Thanks. Carcharoth (Commons) (talk) 02:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

That was Semiautomatic edit using AWB. I deleted old text and typed in the new one, and apparently got it wrong. --JarektBot (talk) 03:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

It is still wrong - was there a problem when you tried to correct it? I would have corrected it myself, but I don't know what the code should be for British? I'm also not sure precisely what you mean by 'Semiautomatic edit using AWB', but what I really want to be sure of is that there are no other British photographers out there that are marked as Brazilian photographers. Was this part of a big run you did where you might have made the same mistake several times? I'm thinking that it might be best either to check the bot's contributions around the same date, or to try and pull up a list of 'Creator' pages marked as Brazilian photographers and see if they should in fact be British. Is there a way to do this? Carcharoth (Commons) (talk) 23:52, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Bot institute and category creations

Dear Jarekt, recently, your bot created hundreds of redundant institutions (such as Institution:Museu Nacional d'Art de Catalunya, Barcelona - see here) with non existing categories and uploaded files in incorrectly named categories such as Category:Painters from Holland. I moved and redirected tens of them. I am just wondering if there is no way to be more selective when those institutions and categories already exist ? --Foroa (talk) 06:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I am uploading many thousands of WGA images and I am spending a LOT of time matching commons creators, institutions and categories to the image metadata, before the image uploads. It is probably 95% of the effort. A lot of matching has to be done by searching Commons, or searching major Wikipedias and look for links to Commons. Although I have some algorithms to partially automate the process, like finding potential creator matches through alternative names or dates of birth/death, most of it is still done by hand and sometimes mistakes like Category:Painters from Holland happen. As for Institutions - we do not have many templates yet and category names are very hard to predict. I matched over 100 of most frequently used by hand and created stub templates (and added non-existing categories) to the rest. I realize that some of those institutions already have categories, and once I am done with the uploads I am planning on working on clearing some of those up. --Jarekt (talk) 14:07, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I understand. Mu question is basically if your uploading is completed, so that redundant institutes and categories can be deleted, or will your upload bot assign/create them again. --Foroa (talk) 15:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I am done with the uploads of new files. However I am working now on a way to synch file descriptions of 6k WGA files uploaded to Commons before the batch upload. This might take a while, since I am having some issues getting it to work. I have some idea as how to get it to work, but lets discuss it at Template_talk:Institution#Category:Institution_template_stubs, where we are already discussing this topic.--JarektBot (talk) 15:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

French actor?

At some point, JarektBot decided that I was a French actor. While I do have an IMDb profile, that's for a talk show appearance. That, plus I'm only about a third French, and that lineage is centuries removed. How did it determine this? -- Nick Moreau (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

It just copied it from Category:Nicholas Moreau, where it was added 2 years ago. --JarektBot (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Added a second en interwiki link

The en interwiki link was already added. [13] So it was unneccessary to add a second one. --Pilettes (talk) 08:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

suggestion

Hi! What about using {{en|{{mainw|{{PAGENAME}}}}}} instead of [[en:PAGENAME]]? --Gampe (talk) 08:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I was only adding a single wiki link to allow latter run by full blown interwiki bot. I do not think I like {{mainw}} template: interwiki links should not be hidden in the templates as this might interfere proper maintenance by bots and is confusing for people having to update those. It is also very EN wiki centric - How do you know that the "Main Wikipedia article" is in English? --Jarekt (talk) 01:27, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Authority control template

Hi! Please when you add a template {{Authority control}}, do it before categories section (and before the DEFAULTSORT key, if present), but not after interwiki section. And if the bot will fix the structure of description & category pages, making the next order of sections (from top to bottom):

1. Description and Navigation templates
   (including {{Authority control}} template)
2. empty row
3. DEFAULTSORT key
4. Categories section
5. empty row
6. Iterwiki section

- it would be absolutely wonderful! ;) Thanks in advance! --Kaganer (talk) 13:28, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Adding {{Authority control}} is done using very simple AWB functionality to move data from a spreadsheet. Right now I was just appending to the existing page, but I can anchor it in relation to DEFAULTSORT, if preferable (and if one exists). However, the AWB bot does not capability to reshuffle the category pages (or I do not know how to do it). That would have to be done by some specialized bot, may be written in pywikipediabot framework. --Jarekt (talk) 13:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Your approach shouldn't make any visible difference. --  Docu  at 10:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for doing my request at Bots/Works requests. Looks good. --  Docu  at 10:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

You welcome. I was thinking about it for a while, (possibly due to your suggestion), and the immediate cause of the effort was this discussion. Also more automatic bot would be useful. Right now I just used AWB to scrape the information from German wiki and use AWB again to copy it to Commons. --Jarekt (talk) 02:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Bug report

[14] missing "|" sign broke the template. Materialscientist (talk) 13:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, That was one time change a year ago and I did not hear about any other issues. I looked on other edits from this day here and they all seem fine. I am not sure what happen. --Jarekt (talk) 02:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

self portraits

Heloo, you have added Category:Self-portraits to imagess from Category:Retratos de Españoles ilustres, I cannot see why.--Zolo (talk) 13:26, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

No idea. I was adding Category:Self-portraits to images where search found word "self-portrait" in several languages. I tested bunch and they were all fine. I will look into it and fix this category. Thanks for alerting me. --Jarekt (talk) 13:55, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Would it also be possible to skip files already in subcategories of category:Self-portraits ?--Zolo (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I filtered out all images within 3 levels from Category:Self-portraits. --Jarekt (talk) 15:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

So I guess we need 4--Zolo (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Looking at a few other errors I would guess that you somehow used "retrato" (portrait) rather than "autorretrato" for Spanish.

I generally do this manually. Frequently it turns up images with missing permissions. --  Docu  at 06:21, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Fixed I believe I identified and fixed all files I incorrectly added "self-portrait" category to. --Jarekt (talk) 03:12, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks.--Zolo (talk) 12:18, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Information => Painting

At [15] somehow this messed up the description. Not that it was ideal before. --  Docu  at 11:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure how this messed up the description. Can you elaborate? The only issue I see with it (which I fixed) was confusion of author of the artwork vs. author of the photo, and date of the original artwork vs. date of the photo, etc. Is that what you are referring to? --Jarekt (talk) 12:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

With a photograph of a sculpture it's fairly obvious that author= in {{information}} may be the photographer. For a painting (or file description page that was using {{painting}}), the photographer is rather pointless to have in "artist=". If you change author= to artist=, it's quite likely that we end up with photographers of sculptures in the artist field. --  Docu  at 05:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

redirecting location categories replacing [from] by [of]

Hi, This bot has now 'improved' the location categories at a few files. I have however been using'[from] in all location categories sofar. There is no value in change [from] to [of], it may be better English, but it is of no effect to understanding the category. If your bot makes these changes because there is a wiki policy prescribing it, please let me know where I can find it and I will adhere. If not, please leave it to my descretion.

This bot does not know anything about grammar of category names. It only occasionally cleans Category:Non-empty category redirects. You need to talk to the editors who created the category redirect. --Jarekt (talk) 14:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

replacing category "Halle (Westf.)" with "Halle (Westfalen)

You have recategorized a number of files, replacing the category "Halle (Westf.)" with "Halle (Westfalen). The official name of the town, however, is "Halle (Westf.)" and hence this should also be the category name. Pls. change back. Thank you! --Hagar66 (talk) 08:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

This bot did not decide to replace category "Halle (Westf.)" with "Halle (Westfalen), user:Foroa did with this edit]. My bot only occasionally cleans Category:Non-empty category redirects. You need to talk to user:Foroa who created the category redirect and discuss it with him/her. Than you can create redirect in the other direction and my, or other bot will move the content. Greetings --Jarekt (talk) 14:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

According to Commons conventions, the name should be En:Halle, North Rhine-Westphalia, but Commons has some tolerance for the disambiguation term and its notation. We however do certainly not support abbreviations such as Westf. --Foroa (talk) 15:26, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I see. Despite having worked in abundance on commons I didn't know that. I certainly do not have a heart for disambiguations and therefore vote for a rename according to the rules, thus favour a full recat to En:Halle, North Rhine-Westphalia. --Hagar66 (talk) 18:16, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki to dissimilar page types

Is it proper to using interwiki links instead of {{on Wikipedia}} to link a Commons category to Wikipedia articles (i.e. not categories)? The bot is doing this at a very rapid rate. I know that people have gotten in the habit of doing all the time on Commons categories, but I'm not sure it's correct — that's supposedly what {{on Wikipedia}} is for. Shouldn't the straight interwiki links be for gallery-to-article interwiki, or for category interwikis to Wikipedia categories instead? --Closeapple (talk) 21:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

That is because Wikipedia and Commons are dissimilar projects. Information of Wikipedia is organized in Categories filled with articles filled with files. On Commons we have categories (sometimes called meta categories, as in Template:MetaCat) filled with more categories which are filled with files. We do have some galleries but MUCH fewer than categories and often out of date. For example in Category:People by name we have 121k categories and only 4k galleries. As a result of this different organization, often best match for wikipedia Categories are Commons meta-categories and best match for Wikipedia articles are Commons categories. Wikipedia uses en:template:Commons for linking from articles to galleries and categories on Commons. 260k such links are to categories and ~40k to galleries. So linking between Commons categories and Wikipedia articles is in most cases the only option we have. Greetings --Jarekt (talk) 16:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I was going to start a similar conversation when I noticed this. My view is that as long as a certain commons category (e.g. Category:Dacia) has a matching category in en WP (e.g. en:Category:Dacia) or other language WPs (e.g. ro:Categorie:Dacia), the bots and users should use those categories for interwiki links and use {{On Wikipedia}} for article interwikis (this is what the {{On Wikipedia}} documentation suggests as well). If there is no such matching category on any language, then the interwiki links to articles should be used. As far as galleries go, I think they should always have interwiki links connecting to articles on different WPs. The categories from en and other WPs should also link back to commons using commons cat template. This is what I've done for Category:Dacia. Since there are at least 15 languages which have this category (e.g. en:Category:Dacia, fr:Catégorie:Dacie, etc.), it is highly beneficial for all other wikipedias to know about the commons category and the available media. But I faced the problem of manually maintaining a lot of links under {{On Wikipedia}}. My question is, can the bots maintain both, using the suggested rules? --Codrin.B (talk) 16:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

When I click on interwiki link in Category:Painters from Italy I expect to land in Wikipedia category like en:Category:Italian painters. But when I click on interwiki links in Category:Marcello Bacciarelli I expect to land in an article en:Marcello Bacciarelli. A bot running mw:Manual:Pywikipediabot/interwiki.py can handle both types and will use either one or the other based on what was found there to start with. --Jarekt (talk) 02:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

That seems pretty much what I suggested. The only note, if there is a en:Category:Marcello Bacciarelli (say a category which groups articles like Marcelo Bacciarelli, Works by Marcelo Bacciarelli etc.) I would point to it instead. In lieu of such category, I would point to the article Marcelo Bacciarelli, as you suggested. But what about updating {{On Wikipedia}}? I think it would be great to standardize and implement a set of rules, which a bot could apply when adding\updating interwikis.

babel vandalism

Hallo JarektBot, vandalism: on my user page. Well, not really - but I do not like this change. reason: Looks not good (space on right border (→misalignment with other box), not i18ned). In addition the box background wasn't transparent anymore so that the gray didn't shine through at User_talk:Saibo. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 01:59, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry You did not like the change. I usually stay away from people user pages, but switch to new babel style would allow us to retire or simplify maintenance of a LOT of templates. It would also allow us to boxes for much more languages. The topic was discussed here, here, here, and you can find documentation here. I guess the extension a little different look than the template, although when I switched and when I tested it I did not notice them. The broken internationalization of the header and footer is more problematic and will need to be fixed. I will look into it. Greetings --Jarekt (talk) 17:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem - I know it was intended as help. :) However, if you compare both versions of my user page you will notice that in "your" version there is a misalignment between the upper box and the babel box. And: although I like the transparent look (on my talk page) a bit more I would adjust to the white block. Or maybe not and simply continue to use the old templates. ;) The background is a advantage of them. Maybe it could be resembled with the "your" babels. However, please do not do such changes using your flagged bot. I didn't notice this through my watchlist (bots hidden) but by wondering about the strange new look and English text on my talk page. And if you do bot changes they should no change the appearance, right? :-) Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 19:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I was under impression that appearance would not change. --Jarekt (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

May be only with the bad HTML code I have on my user page. ;-) Have a nice weekend! --Saibo (Δ) 21:22, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I reverted this because it broke my babel. If you can fix it you may change it again. --MGA73 (talk) 18:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I also reverted the change to my personal page[16] due to the strange indenting it caused. I'd suggest the bot not be allowed to change user pages. --JD554 (talk) 19:55, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

+1. --Saibo (Δ) 20:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for the edit. I hope I won't have to update my babels manually on any wiki. ;-) m:Talk:Babel extension has some discussion and tips about implementation. Nemo 21:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

+1

table.mw-babel-wrapper {
  margin:0em;
  margin-bottom:0.5em;
  width:250px;
}
 
.mw-babel-notabox {
  margin-left: auto; 
  margin-right: auto; 
  width: 238px;
}

-+ !important → MediaWiki:Common.css ? -- RE rillke questions? 22:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

 Comment bugzilla:27793 about displaying babel template text in user language might be fixed in the future. --Jarekt (talk) 18:59, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

If I understand bugzilla:27793, we just have to ask at the Village Pump if everyone agrees to have Babel internationalized and then file the new bug ?--Zolo (talk) 14:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

That was done, see bugzilla:32726 --Jarekt (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok sorry--Zolo (talk) 15:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

"}}"

The Bot seems to add one "}}" to much.[17] Cheers --Kolja21 (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I fix it. I am not sure what was the issue with this one-time job but I guess the bot did not like <noinclude></noinclude> section. I will check if there were more of those. --Jarekt (talk) 03:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Duplicate categories

Jarekt, on 25 June 2011 many new categories were created by the bot, apparently for Italian artists. But in a number of cases, there was already an existing category, with different capitisation. Below is a list, I'd like to ask you need to clean up the duplications the bot created. A few were created after the bot.

1. Category:Andrea Da Murano
2. Category:Antonio Da Firenze
3. Category:Antonio Da Negroponte
4. Category:Antonio Da Trento
5. Category:Barna Da Siena
6. Category:Bartolomeo Della Gatta
7. Category:Bartolomeo Di Fruosino
8. Category:Bartolomeo Di Giovanni
9. Category:Benedetto Da Maiano
10. Category:Bernard D'Agesci
11. Category:Cecco Del Caravaggio
12. Category:Cesare Da Sesto
13. Category:Fiorenzo Di Lorenzo
14. Category:Francesco Di Antonio Del Chierico
15. Category:Francesco Di Vannuccio
16. Category:Gherardo Di Giovanni
17. Category:Giovanni Da Milano
18. Category:Giovanni Da Modena
19. Category:Giovanni Da San Giovanni
20. Category:Giovanni Da Udine
21. Category:Giovanni D'Alemagna
22. Category:Girolamo Da Cremona
23. Category:Girolamo Del Pacchia
24. Category:Girolamo Di Benvenuto
25. Category:Giusto De' Menabuoi
26. Category:Guido Da Siena
27. Category:Jacobello Del Fiore
28. Category:Jacopo Del Casentino
29. Category:Juan Pantoja De La Cruz
30. Category:Leonardo Da Pistoia
31. Category:Lorenzo Da Viterbo
32. Category:Lorenzo Di Alessandro Da Sanseverino
33. Category:Mariotto Di Nardo
34. Category:Memmo Di Filippuccio
35. Category:Michele Di Matteo
36. Category:Michele Pace Del Campidoglio
37. Category:Michelino Da Besozzo
38. Category:Pellegrino Da San Daniele
39. Category:Perino Del Vaga
40. Category:Peter Hemmel Von Andlau
41. Category:Piermatteo D'Amelia
42. Category:Pietro Da Rimini
43. Category:Pietro Di Giovanni D'Ambrogio
44. Category:Polidoro Da Caravaggio
45. Category:Serafino de Tivoli
46. Category:Tanzio Da Varallo
47. Category:Theophanes The Cretan
48. Category:Villard De Honnecourt

Benchill (talk) 21:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the list. I noticed that among few hundred categories I was creating based on WGA authors, some ended up with incorrect names. I fixed a bunch but not all. I will correct the rest. --Jarekt (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Jarekt. Benchill (talk) 01:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Jarekt (talk) 04:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Why put categories at the end

Hello Jarek,
Your bot is moving categories after interwiki (here, again, more).
Could you fix that ? Categories need to be before interwiki.
Best regards Liné1 (talk) 08:15, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Opps, I thought I checked that, especially after my discussion here it is rather ambarasing. I do not have access to that computer at the moment so I blocked the bot for 2 hours. --Jarekt (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, no trouble. The thing is moving categories is not a good idea as they are often comments associated with those cat (see here the comment). Best regards Liné1 (talk) 14:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

You bot is running again with the same behavior. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. I thought any block will stop the script, but apparently not. I blocked it for a day this time, and will fix it in the evening. --Jarekt (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Institution:Museu_Nacional_d'Arte_Antiga,_Lisbon

Institution deletion warning

Institution:Museu_Nacional_d'Arte_Antiga,_Lisbon has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this institution, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

  DutchHoratius (talk) 15:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Institution:Museu_Nacional_de_Arte_Antiga,_Lisbon

Institution deletion warning

Institution:Museu_Nacional_de_Arte_Antiga,_Lisbon has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this institution, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

  DutchHoratius (talk) 15:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

exclude my user page

Is there a template I can place in my user space to prevent your bot from editing it? -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 18:32, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

My bot does not usually edit user pages. I checked yours and the only edit I could find was switch from old-style {{Babel}} template to preferred {{#babel:...}} format, which was a one time run. I am unaware of any templates that AWB or pywikipediabot based bots would use to prevent future edits. However I am planning to stay away from user pages as much as possible. --JarektBot (talk) 13:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Stop

You have edit a user page.--Simon-kempf (talk) 19:01, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

i am no longer editing those. See User_talk:JarektBot#babel_vandalism. Is this edit causing any problems? --Jarekt (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Creator:Jacques_Androuet_Du_Cerceau_(I)

Creator deletion warning

Creator:Jacques_Androuet_Du_Cerceau_(I) has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this creator, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

  Robert.Allen (talk) 10:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Rewriting WP iwls to avoid redirects - good or bad?

I'm concerned about changes like this and [18]

This replaced the previous interwiki link on the Commons category of Category:Girder forks from [[en:Girder fork]] to [[en:Motorcycle fork#Girder]]

At [[en:Girder fork]] we find:

#REDIRECT [[Motorcycle fork#Girder]]

{{R to section}}
{{R with possibilities}}

[[Category:Motorcycle suspension technology]]
[[Category:Motorcycle technology]]

This is a valid redirect. In particular it's a redirect tagged and categorized as "to section" and "with possibilities". en:Girder fork is a notable topic that warrants an article. As yet, no-one has had time to write it (motorcycle suspension is oddly poorly covered at en:WP). So in the meantime, we point the redirect at a paragraph within a much broader article at en:Motorcycle fork#Girder. We would hope though, possibly soon, that en:Girder fork, will become the full article that it clearly ought to.

Redirects are useful. They are not a bad thing. MediaWiki has good support for redirects. However the Wiki community often has some strange aversion to them, seeing them as a target to be hunted down and removed. There is some trivial benefit here about efficiency (yet that is never considered when embedding WP:SCARE BLOCK CAPS links into arguments for removing them "to avoid server load"). There is certainly a benefit to removing double redirects.

The virtue of redirects though is one that's long familiar to programmers, even if not to wiki editors. This virtue is that of abstraction. A redirect to [[:en:Girder fork]] goes to :en:WP and allows WP to select the best current content available for that topic according to WP's understanding of the content at the time. A link to [[en:Motorcycle fork#Girder]] though will always go to that same small section, even if a full article later appears under its own name. (Note too that such a change can't be 'bot reversed in the future). As any programmer knows, an external API should be decoupled from internal implementation details.

I would like to see JarketBot's behaviour here changed so that it doesn't replace redirects like this, i.e. to not replace those redirects representing a useful abstraction, not merely a technical fix-up (spellings etc.). This could be done by identifying redirects that are categorized as either (not and) those with possibilities, or those to sections (by either categorization or the use of a fragment identifier in the target). Andy Dingley (talk) 11:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

User:JarektBot is running the standard mw:Manual:Pywikipediabot/interwiki.py code which is the same code used on all the other wikipedias and other wikimedia projects. The code has many tweakable parameters including "-noredirect means that if a redirect page is found, the redirect is not followed, as is the normal behaviour, but the page is skipped." I could turn that option on; however I assume that this will skip all the redirect even more frequent cases where the article was moved and the redirect points to the updated title. --Jarekt (talk) 13:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Following redirects isn't a problem, but no 'bot should modify a page unless we know that such changes are of benefit and also (following the principle of the Hippocratic Oath) that "they should do no harm" - i.e. in a case when some redirects can reasonably be removed, but others would best be left, then the 'bot should modify none of them.

I would assume that a 'bot can be constructed that can distinguish these two cases though. Surely any 'bot framework can return the initial link address, the final target address and hopefully also the annotated content of the redirect itself? That's enough to identify and exclude redirects to sections (robustly, in all cases), and redirects with possibilities (where these have been manually tagged).

Even if determination is difficult or impossible, I would argue that replacing redirects should only be done in cases where it's a demonstrable improvements - i.e. if it can't be proved to be useful, then it shouldn't be changed. Redirects just aren't a problem that need urgent fixing. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

All this might be great suggestions, but I did not write that bot and do not know enough about it to be able to modify this enormous code. See mw:Manual:Pywikipediabot/Development#How_to_report_a_bug to report your suggestions. What I can do is modify one of the tweakable parameters of that software and what I can gather from the brief description "noredirect" option might allow me to skip commons pages which points to redirected wikipedia pages. This probably will have a side-effect that the bot will only add new links but will not correct no longer valid links. But that might be preferable option. --Jarekt (talk) 14:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I saw that behaviour of "redirect re-solving" at other iw bots, too - yes. I think it is wrong and I frequently revert such bot changes. IWs to redirs are there for a purpose (article may be written in future at the place of the redir). Please skip such iw pages if it is not possible to turn it of. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 15:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I will work in the evening on testing the bot with the new setting, to make sure that it does what I think it does. --Jarekt (talk) 15:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! You may also agree that it is "job" of the bot owners to report problems / feature requests upstream to the programmers of the bot framework. It is not efficient if non-bot users need to dig in the framework and its talk pages. :-) If you had written the bot's framework on your own you would also not ask non-bot users to fix bugs. --Saibo (Δ) 15:38, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I would agree with you in general and in many cases I did report problems / feature requests upstream (so far for AWB framework). However, in this case I am rather ignorant about redirects as used on Wikipedias and do not feel like I would be able to intelligently argue for software change. I personally (and manually) only add interwiki links to existing pages with exact matches. I would also not add interwikis to the article subsections. I do not think I encountered before interwikis to "articles which may be written in future", and I do not have opinion if I like that concept or not. --Jarekt (talk) 16:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Even if the redir may not be replaced by an article the section title in articles changes every now and then (and by far not always {{anchor}} is added with the old title as the incoming links are not known). In case the iw goes to a redir the iw continues to link to the correct section (after the section link was fixed in the redir). In case the iw goes to the section directly potentially iws in ~50 wikis need to be changed (manually - since that isn't done by bots). --Saibo (Δ) 16:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Sum-it-up and en:wiki redirects include frequently links to sections; there is no problem with that as they are maintained at a global level. When we stick to that level (and do not follow the redirects), we can profit from the global system maintenance. I don't know however what happens with the other interwiki links. For example Category:Schoonaarde contains a redirect and a reference to a section in an article, while if one dares to use sum-it-up, it gets all mixed up with the parent article. Curious to see what the bot update will do. --Foroa (talk) 17:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Fixed I am running now with "-noredirect" option. I tested it first on Category:Girder forks and it skipped that page. --Jarekt (talk) 12:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Andy Dingley (talk) 14:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

• Still doing it [19] Andy Dingley (talk) 15:38, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunatelly there is not much I can do about it. That is the the same set of interwiki links as used on all the wikipedias (see for example de:Oldham-Kupplung). The algorithm of mw:Manual:Pywikipediabot/interwiki.py standardizes the look of interwikis so they are consistent among all the projects. If at some point en:Oldham coupler is written than the next time me or someone else runs mw:Manual:Pywikipediabot/interwiki.py the link will be fixed. --Jarekt (talk) 15:57, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

• And again, [20]. Another motorcycle fork, so the redir was already annotated as above, about as clearly as it could be. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

"bitmap graphics" and "audio file" became bulgarian and afrikaans

Hallo Jarekt, http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:TrygveFlathen&action=history would be nice if you could revert your bot's wrong changes (if no one else has reverted in the meantime for those babel languages at least. Note: babel extension still is not i18ned. ;-) Not really Commons suitable. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 01:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I will look into it and get back to you. --Jarekt (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I look for other template conflicts and found some more. See output of {{Babel|BG-3|AF-1|ANI-3|VI|win|bot|CID|align=left}} {{#babel:BG-3|AF-1|ANI-3|VI|win|bot|CID}}. --Jarekt (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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Ouch, thanks Jarekt. Hmmm... --18:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I will try few things: (1) revert by hand my edits on pages of users using one of the clashing options (2) I requested change to Babel extension to make it case sensitive. If I do not get reply there I will try bugzilla. (3) I know EN wiki has the same issues (see en:User:Jarekt/b). I will alert them about it. --Jarekt (talk) 18:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! :-) I really wonder that the babel extension still is not i18ned - that is not really suitable for Commons, don't you agree? Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 19:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I think bugzilla:32726 should take care of this. You can add your voice to the bugzilla discussion if you would like it to be processed faster. BTW, I reverted by hand my edits on pages of users using one of the clashing options--Jarekt (talk) 15:47, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! --Saibo (Δ) 21:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Swaping title and description for images in Category:Trajan's Column - Cichorius Plates

I noticed that User:JarektBot replaced {{Reliefs of Trajans Column}} with {{Artwork}} for files in Category:Trajan's Column - Cichorius Plates. This could be a good thing since {{Artwork}} is a nice template I've been using myself for archaeological objects and artwork, although I don't know how the replaced template was since is gone now. However, the "title" and "description" are now swapped. If you look for example at File:021 Conrad Cichorius, Die Reliefs der Traianssäule, Tafel XXI.jpg, most of the detail is in the title and not in description. Can the bot swap them? There is a conversation also at User talk:Gun Powder Ma#Commons WikiProject Dacia. Thanks.--Codrin.B (talk) 16:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding also multilingual descriptions

I started this discussion at the User talk:MerlIwBot#Adding also multilingual descriptions but I just realized that JarektBot also adds interwiki links (side question: why multiple bots doing the same thing?). So I think the suggestion for this feature applies here as well. Thanks.--Codrin.B (talk) 16:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree it would be valuable, but to my knowledge there is no code for this task written at the moment, and I do not have python skills to write one at the moment. Also it seems to me that that would work only for categories with interwikis (~27% of all categories). --Jarekt (talk) 17:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

27% is a great number though (where did u find it anyway?) But it should also work at least with categories that have the same name with an English article, which should bring the coverage up considerably. At least this is how I think Sum-it-up works.--Codrin.B (talk) 19:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

The number 27% come from the fact that we have 1,862k categories and my recent month long sweep maintaining interwikis in all categories found 1,354k categories without interwikis. I have the list. Be carefull about assuming the is category has the same name as an article in EN wiki than they are related. It is not always the case. For example we have a lot of people's names where category and article refer to a different person. --Jarekt (talk) 19:35, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Good point, but I would assume that the number of false positives (which could be corrected by hand later), is still far bellow the number of real hits (meaning those hits where the category name really matches the EN article correctly). It would still save a lot of work I think. Or maybe if we want to get fancy some review process can be set in place to review the bot planned updates. But that would give more work to admins. I don't know how many mismatches we have but it should be a small number I think, which should mean that we have to pick the lesser evil. And those mismatches should only prompt users to take some action and bring some consistency between Commons and EN wiki naming.--Codrin.B (talk) 19:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the most conservative solution would be to only process categories with interwikis. In my experience people have very low tolerance for bot that makes any mistakes. And it is no fun to be correcting edits by hand. That said I was thinking about writing some bots for boosting number of categories with interwikis. But that is a long term project. --Jarekt (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I added the first category IWs in at least 30000 categories; I see that more and more people start to see the interest and are following. Before adding text descriptions by bot, we have to define a collapse rule. Categories with an intro in 270 languages is not very practical. A more elegant and maintenance-free solution would be the display of the initial paragraphs(s) when hovering over the interwiki links on the left. It would be great if the search engine would include the category IWs in its search, which it doesn't for the moment. --Foroa (talk) 07:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

duplicate authority control?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:J%C3%BCrgen_Hardt&action=history Is there a way to detect if that template is already present before adding a new one? ;-) --Saibo (Δ) 22:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

There is and it is rather simple. But since I was starting with no pages using it, it seems it would be safe not to check.--Jarekt (talk) 02:45, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Also note that there could be {{Normdaten}} already. I am sure you will do what is useful - just wanted to let you know. --Saibo (Δ) 03:24, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

"own" cleanup etc.

Maybe remove |permission = see below at the same time ?-Zolo (talk) 10:36, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I do not see much of those, but I added a rule to delete those. --JarektBot (talk) 12:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Automatic Creator: creations

Hi! The bot is 'creating' Creator: templates over existing ones. Sometimes it's for the good (see for instance Creator:Francesco Laurana); at other times it deletes data (see for instance Creator:Exekias). Are you sure the bot should overwrite? Jastrow (Λέγετε) 08:31, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

No it was not meant to overwrite anything. Those creators were not there last time I checked (I think). I will check by hand this batch of 85 uploads and modify my upload code to skip if page is present in potential future uploads. Thanks for letting me know. --JarektBot (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I created these templates after you asked for help on Commons talk:Walters Art Museum :) Thanks for the explanation. Also thanks for the bot; it's very tedious to create these templates by hand. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 13:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Bot is only uploading what I assembled in a spreadsheet. The data collection is still mostly manual process. --Jarekt (talk) 13:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

bot problem

Just noticed a problem with the bot. Check out this diff. For some reason the bot converted a question mark in the provenance into a whole new parameter. Kaldari (talk) 04:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I am look into this. No need to stop the bot by a block - this part is done as AWB and any message stops the bot. --Jarekt (talk) 04:14, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that's good to know. I'll unblock it. Kaldari (talk) 04:17, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I found it. It is this regex "(date\s*=\s*)([^\(]*)\(([^\)]*)\)(\s*\n)" -> "$1$2$4\n|period = $3" designed to pull occasional period parameters tucked on the end of the some dates and put them as a separate parameter "period" so they can be piped through {{Period}} template. It can be fixed by adding "\n" into second and 3rd group "(date\s*=\s*)([^\n\(]*)\(([^\n\)]*)\)(\s*\n)" so it wont match any multi-line parameters. But for now I will disable it and look at other regex to see if there is a potential for multiline matches. I will write something to identify all the files where such incorrect substitution happen. I think I just have to find cases where "period" parameter is not after "date". --Jarekt (talk) 04:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Fixed This should be all fixed now.--Jarekt (talk) 19:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Walters

Just one minor thing I forgot to mention. In the dimensions field, Framed {{size| could be replaced with {{with frame}}{{int:colon}} {{size| --Zolo (talk) 10:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I will add it. --Jarekt (talk) 10:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks but it seems that it did not work [21]. --Zolo (talk) 13:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I added the replacement rule to the rule set, but I guess this one did not meet the rule. I will check why. --Jarekt (talk) 13:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Creator:Adam-Wolfgang Töpffer

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