User talk:Michael Bednarek

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Duplicates

Ah Sorry, I should've noticed. One restored. Alles gutt? Lycaon (talk) 11:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

File:ViolaML.jpg

Hi Michael, I have reverted this edit by you. You are of course free to check whether images are properly tagged. But images shall not be silently untagged in non-obvious cases just because you disagree. It is best to find either consensus with the editor who tagged it or to open a deletion request for it. In this case, the images of Marco Lazzara were not shot by himself but by professional photographers (he admitted this already elsewhere). Please consider also this already closed DR. Best regards, AFBorchert (talk) 16:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The "no permission" tag just struck me as odd and in conflict with author's GFDL notice. Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah but Marco Lazzara isn't the author of these photographs, he just owns copies of them. --AFBorchert (talk) 09:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

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Removal of Interwiki links

Reg. Your edit @ File:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Don Giovanni - Overtüre.ogg

Please explain why iw links are "unhelpful" @ Commons while they are helpful in hundreds of Wikipedia editions. --Mattes (talk) 04:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki links for pages in the "File:" namespace are pointless. Those files will appear on each and every language Wikipedia, but they exist only at Commons. You can observe this when you read the page that you get when you click on an Interwiki link: it says this file is from Commons.

Also: my edit, which you mention above, corrected a lot of nonsense in the description; even if you disagreed with the removal of Interwiki links, you should not have undone my other edits. However, as the Interwikilinks don't really have a place in File:-pages, I suggest you revert your reversal. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Thanks for sharing your thoughs. The Namespace topic wasn't my issue, I agree with that one (removed it now).

Reg. the iw

You've wrote: "However, as the Interwikilinks don't really have a place in File:-pages" --- in most cases the file names are automatically changed to the edition language. You might as well exchange the "file" with any name which is used in a certain Wikipedia" such as "de:Bild:Mozart - Don Giovanni.ogg". This might be good for further information: Commons:Language policy. I'm doing this for years now and had one or two small discussions yet. I have no idea where to discuss the issue on a broader basis. At least I would like to say this tiny iw links (and edits) do no harm. But it could be disturbing if user put them in and other users delete them and again some others add them again and there is a ongoing discussion at every user page of the user who did it. That'll be a mess. I find it useful to see at once where a particular file is used in a Wikimedia project. As I said, the other way around (Cross-Wikipedia, and Wikipedia to sister projects for example) it's OK but from Commons to Wikipedia seems not be OK with you. I'm still wondering why... BFN, --Mattes (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I haven't made myself very clear. There should be no Interwikilinks of the sort that appear in the left sidebar on any "File:" pages – the kind that you introduced in your edit; see Commons:Village pump/Archive/2008Oct#Interwiki linking policy. Do agree? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for defining your thoughts. Well, why are the iw linsk unhelpful? --Mattes (talk) 04:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

An interwiki link for a page points to a page for the same subject on a Wikipedia in another language. Page interwiki links on File: pages don't do that, because that file doesn't exist on any other language Wikipedia. Thus they are unhelpful, confusing and misleading. Have you red the discussion I pointed to? The tool to check for usage of Commons file in other Wikipedias is the "Check usage" tool. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I have read the discussion you have pointed to. I don't see that it came to any consensus. If you ask me, interwiki links are not unhelpful (helps to identify the usage in Wikipedia editions), not confusing (interwiki just gives one defined answer that is: a Wikipedia uses this image/article or gallery) and not misleading (the only misleading might be that upon "clicking" you leave the Wikimedia Commons platform). As I said the other fields in Wikimedia place them as well. Now what are we doing without a consensus/policy? Should everybody delete, insert, delete, insert and delete the iw in each gallery, file and category as they please for eternity? I'd suggest, a discussion for everyone should be initiated somewhere -- and I hope that a policy comes up within weeks. I know the Check usage tool but that is not always working and it is not part of the Wikimedia syntax. Just because the tool exists, all iw links provided by the syntax are redundant? BTW Who says this tool or any other tool with that feature still operates in five years or so? --Mattes (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki links on File: pages do not give "… one defined answer that is: a Wikipedia uses this image …"; a File: from Commons will appear in every language Wikipedia, whether it's used there or not. Also, Interwiki links are meant to be reciprocal, i.e. if Commons has a page with an Interwiki link to a page on xx-Wikipedia, then that page on the xx-language Wikipedia has an Interwiki link to the page on Commons. As this is not possible for File: pages, they should not have Interwiki links.

Following your suggestion, I have raised the matter at the Village pump. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

For the record:

1. Commons:Village pump/Archive/2009Oct#Interwiki links for File: pages
2. Commons:Image pages (diff)
3. Commons:Guide to layout/File description pages (diff)

-- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

... und es gibt ihn ja doch!

Vielleicht amüsiert's: &Prost!
-- das imo erheblich unterbelichtete Geschwätz 'andernorts' ging mir zuletzt dermaßen auf die Eier, dass ich mir vorläufig eine 60d-Auszeit verpassen ließ. Bis dann! ;)) -- lg, [w.] 16:01, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

File:Uschi Glas.jpg

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  --Wknight94 ^talk 14:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Universal danger road sign

Could you please expand on your statement? Thanks, Waldir ^talk 08:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

At the time I made that comment, the category was, (as you know), called Universal danger road signs and consisted of, well, universal danger road signs. The image Panneau A14.jpg, which is clearly French, stuck out as not belonging into that category which consisted of unviversal icons. Now, that the category has been "renamed" to Triangular warning road signs, that objection clearly no longer holds. However, this "rename" makes me wonder where an interested reader should look now for universal danger road signs. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I assumed the category was based on the visual symbol, not on the actual meaning of "danger" of the signs. From what I understand, your criterion would also have File:Bordenpark07.jpg, File:Faltsignal einsatz.jpg, and File:Feuerwehr Warndreieck.jpg removed from the category, right? Let me know if I misunderstood the issue.

As for renaming the cat, I did it after reading the article on Wikipedia, which made it clear that there's no such thing as an universal road danger sign, since there are variations in shape, color, etc depending on the country. I thought "triangular warning road signs" would be a more objective name for the category (though maybe it should be further renamed to "triangular road signs with an exclamation point" to be completely unambiguous). What do you think? --Waldir ^talk 21:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, in my opinion the files you named didn't belong into that category under its former name, either. But as I wrote above, the new category name seems to encompass these types of images as well. Do you want me to re-add the category Triangular warning road signs to Panneau A14.jpg or will you? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:37, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

That's done on an instant, it makes no difference who adds it. So I just did it :) Nevertheless, I'm still thinking that "triangular road signs with an exclamation point" might be the best name for this category; maybe I'll change it soon. I'll think about it some more. Do you have any thoughts on this? --Waldir ^talk 10:30, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Not really; that is an area outside my usual fields (music, arts, Germany). I only came across this category when I was looking for a suitable warning sign to insert in a message on an editor's talk page. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

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Beethoven's Piano Concerto

Hey if Category:Piano Concerto No. 5 (Beethoven) is "inside" Category:Ogg files of concertos for piano by Ludwig van Beethoven, it's not needed to add the second category to files that already have the first, don't? --MisterSanderson (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

It would be a lot easier to follow your argument if you could provide some links to the categories, files, and edits involved.

There is no reason to have Category:Piano Concerto No. 5 (Beethoven) inside Category:Ogg files of concertos for piano by Ludwig van Beethoven. All OGG files of Beethoven's piano concertos need to have at least two categories: Category:Ogg files of concertos for piano by Ludwig van Beethoven and Category:Piano concertos by Ludwig van Beethoven or one of its subcategories. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

MisterSanderson: Without responding here (where you started to raise your questions), you have removed the Category:Ogg files of concertos for piano by Ludwig van Beethoven from

• File:Beethoven Piano Concerto No 5 Movement 1.ogg,
• File:Ludwig van Beethoven - piano concerto no. 1 in c major, op. 15 - iii. rondo (allegro scherzando).ogg,
• File:Ludwig van Beethoven - piano concerto no. 1 in c major, op. 15 - ii. largo.ogg,
• File:Beethoven concerto4 2.ogg;

and the Category:Ogg files of music by Ludwig van Beethoven from

• File:Ludwig van Beethoven - Paul Rosenthal - Edward Auer - Violin Sonata No. 8 in G major - 1. Allegro assai.ogg,
• File:Ludwig van Beethoven - Paul Rosenthal - Edward Auer - Violin Sonata No. 8 in G major - 2. Tempo di minuetto, ma molto moderato e grazioso.ogg,
• File:Ludwig van Beethoven - Paul Rosenthal - Edward Auer - Violin Sonata No. 8 in G major - 3. Allegro vivace.ogg.

This leaves those OGG files without any category in the tree Category:Ogg files and the categories Category:Ogg files of music by Ludwig van Beethoven and Category:Ogg files of concertos for piano by Ludwig van Beethoven incompletely populated.

It also created insconsistencies in that File:Beethoven Piano Concerto No 5 Movement 2.ogg is categorised in Category:Ogg files of concertos for piano by Ludwig van Beethoven, but File:Beethoven Piano Concerto No 5 Movement 1.ogg is not.

I strongly suggest you revert your edits. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

OK. --MisterSanderson (talk) 15:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Mirobolant

Mistake when correcting my other uploads on WikiCommons!! now rectifying--Smerus (talk) 13:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)