User talk:Rocket000

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Category:Images from the Florida Photographic Collection

"It's a useful navigational cat" means that it's not only a useful cat, it's useful for navigation too, something that is thwarted by hiding it. There are several Flordia-related themes for which the categiory is itself a useful grouping: particularly motor racing on Daytona Beach in the 1930s and the general social history of Florida's tourist trade. This isn't just the usual "Photos by Fred" source category. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

That may be, but they should be categorized in content categories. Like "Motor racing on Daytona Beach in the 1930s". Many hidden cats are used for navigation. Rocket000 (talk) 00:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Your unblock of Elkawe

Unblocking User:Elkawe was a bad idea. It is apparent that he does not understand copyright because he consistently labels as his own work images (whether PD-ineligible or not) that are in fact derivative works. Whether or not he acted in bad faith is irrelevant; what matters is that he is a risk to the project as long as he does not convince us that he understands the problem with his uploads. I'd have had no problem with an unblock as soon as he convinces us that he understands copyright.

I only became aware of him because I was processing an official request for deletion via Commons:OTRS by a rights owner of a map which he photographed and falsely labeled as own work. In my opinion, the Foundation rather narrowly escaped legal action in that case. Are you willing to take the responsibility for the foundation's legal exposure should Elkawe continue to violate the copyright of others because of your unblock? Sandstein (talk) 11:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Sandstein does the exact same thing, "falsely claiming" that this abdication is own work. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the block was totally unjustified. If the Foundation is really in legal trouble, they have a lawyer whose job it is to protect them, not ours. By all means, feel free to discuss my unblock on Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Blocks_&_protections#Please_unblock_Elkawe and see what others have to say. I stand by my action. Rocket000 (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/09/Category:Orders and Decorations

G'day Rocket000, as an admin active on CfD, could you have a look at the Orders and decorations CfD, which I think may be ready for closure. It has been up for 20 days and, other than some peripheral concerns raised by Foroa which I believe I have addressed, it has received unanimous support. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 07:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done Siebot's now taking care of moving the files. Rocket000 (talk) 07:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

G'day Rocket000, Foroa has unilaterally changed the category titling. Please see User:CommonsDelinker/commands and my comments at User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 09:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, he doesn't like serial commas... it shouldn't have been done, but it's like American vs. British spelling and not something I like to get involved with since both forms are ok. Rocket000 (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

LangSwitch

Rocket000,

There are still some issues with LangSwitch, as in the Museum:Kölnisches Stadtmuseum using

 {{LangSwitch
   |de=[[:de:Kölnisches Stadtmuseum|Kölnisches Stadtmuseum]]
   |fr=[[:fr:Musée de la ville de Cologne|Musée de la ville de Cologne]]
   |tr=[[:tr:Köln Şehir Müzesi|Köln Şehir Müzesi]]
   |default=[[:Category:Stadtmuseum Köln|Stadtmuseum Köln]]
 }}

which gives "Stadtmuseum Köln" (empty string) --Jarekt (talk) 19:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I misunderstood how you were planning to use the default parameter. I thought you were using it as a way to set the default language, not the default text. But I now see that my method doesn't work. Rocket000 (talk) 23:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I changed it back to your way. Hopefully, I got it right. I hate editing templates so heavily used they error out when saving. I always feel little I'm breaking something when I hit save. :) BTW, I left out the "#" in the parameter name to avoid confusion with {{#switch:}}'s #default, the "#" indicating a special case. Rocket000 (talk) 23:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Crap, still doesn't work... unfortunately, I don't have time right now to investigate. Rocket000 (talk) 23:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

That is likely my fault. I created template:LangSwitch/test for testing, and I will play there until I figure it out. --Jarekt (talk) 01:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

All fixed--Jarekt (talk) 02:34, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

bot

hello my friend,
what about a bot

• running on categories from Category:Taxon categories
• only on categories named "Category:Xxxxxx yyyyyy"
• only on categories containing "Species|Xxxxxx yyyyyy|" (in Taxonavigation)
• transforming [[Category:Xxxxxx]] or [[Category:xxxxxx]] or [[Category:Xxxxxx|Yyyyyy]] or [[Category:xxxxxx|Yyyyyy]] in [[Category:Xxxxxx|yyyyyy]]

The important case we ignore is [[Category:Xxxxxx|†yyyyyy]]. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 05:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. My favorite (and lazy) way, that being a simple regex find & replace with AWB, won't work here since it involves obtaining and manipulating the title (" " → "|") and/or changing case (there's no ToUpper function). I started working on a custom module. So far I got code for normalizing categories (uppercasing the first letters, removing superfluous spaces,...), and creating the category string. Tomorrow, hopefully, I'll have it up and running. Rocket000 (talk) 07:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Sniff, sound so cool. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

With that bot you are running for the wikipulizer, the wikinobel and the wikifieldsmedal! Liné1 (talk) 14:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:-) Well, I'm almost done. There's just a couple annoying little bugs I have to fix. Rocket000 (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I just did a 50 edit test run... It works good but there's so many things I didn't think of. For example, how to deal with genus name parent categories that are disambiguated. The category for these need to be [[Category:Xxxxxx (disamb. word)|yyyyyy]] but since my bot uses the species category name to form the category it adds, it leaves out the " (genus)". There's not too many so I'll just deal with these manually. Hybrids with '×' are another special case. Subspecies, ditto. Anyway, overall I think I did pretty good for a non-programmer. :) I'm pre-parsing out the categories that don't need fixing right now, then I'll flip it on automatic mode. If you have any ideas to generate another list to work on, I'll be happy to run the bot on more categories (I have the latest database dump already) . Rocket000 (talk) 18:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done 1,316 corrected. Taking a break now, but I'll refine my filters and do another run sometime soon because I know there's more I can fix. Rocket000 (talk) 23:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

So cool. I saw some category transformed in Category (that is cool) + some spaces suppressed (like [[ Catego)(cool again). Again, again, again. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

There is a bug in my algorithm: not all species of a genus have a Taxonavigation: if you look at Category:Alosa, your bot has patched 3 of the seven species, because the 4 others did not have a Taxonavigation! Liné1 (talk) 09:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, only the categories in Category:Taxon categories were worked on. Rocket000 (talk) 16:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

incertae sedis

Hi Rocket000, is it possible to create an incertae sedis category within Noctuidae? I found some genera with uncertain genus assignment. --Olei (talk) 10:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I can't respond to that question, but in the Taxonavigation you can put Genus|?| that will display a uniformized incertae sedis. Best regards Liné1 (talk) 11:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Olei (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:Flat_categories

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Another bot

Hello my friend,
I did a mistake (again ;-)) a long time ago with {{Taxasource}} label "Kew".
The database is not THE kew database, but one of the multiple provided by kew.
So I renamed the label "Kew World Checklist" (Of course I kept the other for migration purpose) because the Database is called Word Checklist of select plant families and is hosted by Kew Garden website.
Could you run a bot on Category:Taxasource to correct to transform source=Kew}} in source=Kew World Checklist}}
I know I abuse, but it is for the better cause.
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 06:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, working on it. I assume you want "source=Kew|" converted also. Rocket000 (talk) 07:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. You saved me. Liné1 (talk) 13:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Updating template tysp?

The type species of a genus is not always a name in use. Ex Pachystachys riedelianus is the typus of the genus, but at the same time synonymous under Pachystachys spicata. Could the template be altered to include a "redirection area" or a new template be made for this type of names? Uleli (talk) 18:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, can you give me an example for what you mean by "redirection area"? Something like this:

Type species Pachystachys riedeliana Nees [= Pachystachys spicata (Ruiz & Pav.) Wassh.]

Or do you want the link to simply go to the current name, e.g. [[:Category:Pachystachys spicata|Pachystachys riedeliana]]? Rocket000 (talk) 19:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

• Well, I don't know which one that will suit the reader the most, but I had in mind the latter example...??? Uleli (talk) 21:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

• I added a |link= parameter. Rocket000 (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

POTD LOGO

i dont mind about you extracting the image or the lisence change. :) ty for your nice work by the way -LadyofHats (talk) 07:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:Statues in Italy by subject by city

Hi Rocket000. I asked to Delinker to change the name of the category above in "Statues in Italy by city by subject". You cancelled my request by the opinion that "it's correct, the category is by city so it goes last". I wish to explain you why I disagree. The difference is clear. Actually the categories "Statues in Bologna, Brescia, Catania,... by subject" are "Statues in Italy by city by subject". Categories like "Statues of angels, of bishops, of Madonna, ... in Bologna, Brescia, Catania, etc." are "Statues in Italy by subject by city". This is the reason because I requested to delink the Category above: for the subcategories that it contains, simply this name is wrong, it's not correct! We have a parallel situation with Category:Reliefs in Italy by city by period and Category:Reliefs in Italy by period by city. The names that we give to the art categories in Italy do not follow a vague idea, but are done correspondingly a very clear situation. It's not possible to mistake! Different way we will have a messy situation wich will be very difficult to manage. I hope that I was able to explain you my thought. Soon I will ask again Delinker to change the name of this Category. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 15:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC) PS: Thank you so much always for your work on categories, flat lists, etc. It's really a big help for my work on italian categories! I hope that I give correctly the different "metacats" follow your instructions. If I make some mistakes, please tell me! Thank you!

I always follow a simple rule when naming categories like this. The last "by xxx" refers to the way the category is organized. For example, Category:Art by country by period, Category:Art by period by country, Category:Paintings by country by period, etc., however, I'm aware not everyone follows this rule and in fact does the opposite. Honestly, I'm not sure which way is better, nor do I have a strong preference either way. I just thought the last "by xxx" should always refer to the way the category itself is arranged and not the way the subcategories are arranged. Foroa and I discussed this awhile ago and agreed it needs some kind of harmonizing. It appears someone else thinks these should be renamed as well so I won't get involved. Feel free to remake your request and any others. Hopefully, whatever happens will result in consistency. Cheers, Rocket000 (talk) 18:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

BTW, I'm glad you find my category work helpful for your category work. :) We're looking for more input on Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/10/Category:Flat categories. Rocket000 (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much, dear Rocket000 for your explanation. I think that the different way to understand the same situation is a typically exemple for the different forma mentis of people with mediterranean-latin culture, from people they have a nordic-german-english culture. By the nordic culture a lot of things are reverted (the date, the sassone possessive case; in german the verb at the end, the numbers, etc.). By the latin culture this is not, and the conceptual order is very simple, from left to right, from the subject to the verb. So we from the South, we have really problem when something is sayd 1 - 2, that this is to understand 2 - 1. Never mind...! I requested again Delinker to change two categories, and he just do it. Thank you too for the informations about the discussions about Categories and flat lists: I wasn't informed that there are these discussions! Cheers, --DenghiùComm (talk) 15:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Bot

Hello my friend,
What about running a bot on Category:Taxon categories to transform {{Translation table|inline=o|hidetitle=o|width=100% in {{VN| ???
You could ask Commons talk:WikiProject Tree of Life if you want a greater consensus.
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 18:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, as the creator of {{VN}} I would kinda feel like I was forcing my template on people, but as far as I can tell everyone that works in this area supports {{VN}} over the old way. I will look into how many are left and if anyone is creating new TOL pages/categories with {{translation table}}. Rocket000 (talk) 18:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:Commons_templates-sk

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copyright infringementto report

Hello Rocket000, I would like to report a copyright infringement by the file File:Déploiement_SAS_1.jpg. The guy who uploaded it said in the template that it's personal work, but it's obviously a screenshot from a BBC TV-series called "Great SAS Missions" - you can see it on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLL-OSs3-Dg at around 3:00. Regards rob1bureau (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I deleted it. Rocket000 (talk) 19:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

File:Elachista apicipunctella.jpg

Hello Rocket000, It seems that the source of the above file cannot be reached anymore. And that goes for all files taken from http://wibe.ath.cx/hyonteiset/ and there are quite a lot of them. Is that a problem? Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

That's unfortunate as it was a good source for images, but no, it shouldn't be a problem. We can't expect web pages to remain static. Rocket000 (talk) 19:10, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

It seems most of these pictures can now be found at http://www.insects.fi/insectimages/browser. Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 06:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

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rocketonavigation

Hello my friend,
I just had an idea: the problem of {{Lepidoptera}} and other templates of Category:Plant Navigation Templates is that :

• you have to create a rigid/complex template taking familia,subfamilia,tribus,genus,species parameters
• you cannot have the template recursively call another higher template.
• the template is complex to create (ok, not too complex, but much more difficult than just copy-pasting a Taxonavigation
• you have a different process for each groups (Lepidoptera species use {{Lepidoptera}}

The perfect solution would be to have an include system in {{Taxonavigation}}.
For exemple, Hieraaetus would use:

 {{Taxonavigation|
 include=Accipitridae|
 Genus|Hieraaetus|
 authority=xxx}}.

Where Template:Accipitridae would contain:

 {{TaxonavigationIncluded|
 classification=IOC|
 Regnum|Animalia|
 Phylum|Chordata|
 Classis|Aves|
 Ordo|Accipitriformes|
 Familia|Accipitridae}}

Maybe, Template:Accipitridae would use {{TaxonavigationIncluded}} that would:

• avoid the <div> in the calling category (like Hieraaetus)
• show the <div> in the calling template (like Template:Accipitridae) to have a sexy display in the template
• add a hidden cat to the template (like Category:Taxonavigation include templates)
• have parameter classification=
• have parameter include= to be able to include a higher level TaxonavigationIncluded
• not have parameter authority= (should be only in the final category)

What do you think of that ?
The Template:Accipitridae should be very simple to create, perhaps with an automatic documentation provided by {{TaxonavigationIncluded}}.
Of course we would use templates for big taxons only (Phylum,Classis, big ordro and big familia). That recommandation would be documented.
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

If you want to do some testings:

• modified {{Taxonavigation}} can be tested with {{Liné1SandBoxTemplate}}
• future {{TaxonavigationIncluded}} can be tested
• future {{Accipitridae}} can be tested with {{Liné1SandBoxTemplate3}}
• modified Category:Hieraaetus can be tested with User:Liné1/sandbox

Remaining bugs visible in User:Liné1/sandbox are:

• Familia is bold (due to the fact that the Familia is last in {{Liné1SandBoxTemplate3}} )
• Genus is not bold when it should (due to the fact that a {{Taxonavigation}} or {{Liné1SandBoxTemplate}} with only 1 level has not bold)

My sandbox is your sandbox ;-)

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 15:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry my friend, I've been a bit busy lately. I'll have more time for Commons soon and will do some thinking/experimenting with your idea. Rocket000 (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

file rename request

Hi, please can you change the following 3 filenames from Cis fuscipes to Cis boleti:

• File:Cis fuscipes female.jpg
• File:Cis fuscipes on fungus.jpg
• File:Cis fuscipes aedeagus.jpg

Cheers, --Stho002 (talk) 20:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Try {{Rename|Cis boleti female.jpg|Identification}}. It is faster. Liné1 (talk) 06:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, done. --Stho002 (talk) 05:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Template:Should_be_substituted

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Flat list by condition

Hi Rocket000. Do you think that it can be useful a Category:Categories by condition (flat list) ? Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 22:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
P.S.: What do you think about this Category:Vehicles by city (flat list) ? I think that this name is not correct: this category isn't a flat list! --DenghiùComm (talk) 22:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Best wishes for the coming new year

 :-) --Tony Wills (talk) 07:40, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Zizula hylax

Hi, Some while ago you decided to promote Zizula gaika (Trimen, 1862) above Zizula hylax (Fabricius, 1775). Thus Commons now has a Category:Zizula gaika while Category:Zizula hylax is redirected to the former page. Your justification was that gaika was a better known name, but a simple web search on Zizula hylax returns many more references. I can find no scientific paper or website that supports this action. Recently published lists of Afrotropical (Williams) and World (Savela, Funet) Polyommatini give precedence to hylax as do books published in the last 20 years on regional fauna including Thailand, West Malaysia, Sulawesi. The BMNH online cardex of taxa prefers hylax and considers gaika to be a junior synonym of hylax; see: here. Can you give me a reference to any recent paper or ruling from ICZN that suggetss that gaika should have precedence? If not, I must suggest that the Category pages are reverted to Zizula hylax, and that Z. gaika is sunk as a synonym. Regards. ACCassidy (talk) 23:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Rocket000 is in wikibreak.

But if you look closer, Rocket000 has only created Category:Zizula hylax as a redirect to already existing Category:Zizula gaika.

Their is no promotion involved.

That is the standard behavior in commons as renaming cat is difficult + which synonym is the best is not that obvious.

You should first ask en.wikipedia why they name their page en:Zizula gaika.

Best regards Liné1 (talk) 07:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Primarily to User:Liné1. The best synonym is not a matter of opinion once the ICZN has made a ruling on appeal. I have now traced the appropriate paperwork back to 1965/7, which determines that hylax should be used in preference to gaika. I have therefore done the work necessary to make Wikipedia, Commons and Wikispecies show congruency on the subject, all suitably referenced to documents that can be seen online. Hopefully, other contributors will see the validity and leave it as I have now structured it. ACCassidy (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Good work. Regards Liné1 (talk) 17:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Subcategories of Category:Or (heraldry)

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Category:Honeycomb image

Please could you add a reason and a proposed name to this our request? Do you want to change it to plural, or do you have some other objection? --ŠJů (talk) 18:28, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

File:Star of David.svg

Can you please edit the file so it matches the blue from the Israeli national flag? The blues are pretty similar, but the flag blue is a little less....."florescent" if you will. It's currently protected so only admins can edit it, or else I'd do it myself, and I see you were the last one to edit it, so thought I'd ask you. Thanks. Fry1989 (talk) 18:09, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

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Category:Religions of India

Hello,

Why removing this category? Category:Books about India is much too broad to be useful. Regards, Yann (talk) 04:39, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Metacat formatting bot

Hi Rocket000. Any chance of having a rerun of your metacategory template parameter reformatting bot? Best. --Foroa (talk) 11:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello.

Our common friend is in wikibreak.

Could you describe me the bot you need?

Maybe I can help.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. It concerns a bot that is probably partly manually controlled. It does things like this and converting "xxx by yyy" cats into metacats while removing the flat list categories that are autogenerated by {{Metacat}}. --Foroa (talk) 12:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok, sorry then, my bot is restricted to biology pages.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 13:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you anyway, one should never mix biology with human/artificial intelligence ;) --Foroa (talk) 16:32, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Hidden cat question

Any idea why Category:PD Seattle Neighborhood Atlas is a hidden category? I see that your bot marked it as such. - Jmabel ! talk 03:26, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Seal of Texas.svg

I am interested in your thoughts for this deletion request. Basically the SVG file was created by converting an EPS file from vector-images.com. I believe that the mathematical data of a vector file could be subject to copyright and I would like to know your thoughts.--Svgalbertian (talk) 22:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Did you take your bot with you when you left?

Don't you have a bot that removes images from category redirects? -- Queeg (talk) 02:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

That's RussBot operated by another user. It still works BTW. --  Docu  at 03:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

-- Queeg (talk) 03:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

lol. just noticed this. Rocket000 (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Ha! Yes! This is exactly the "when" I came here for your eyes. ...<something clever about "opening day" and a question about the good or poor sense in wearing/donning antlers and going into the woods on opening day and a pointer to the somewhat obvious analogy being made>.... -- Queeg (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

For categories about the transparency or translucency of miscellaneous enclosures. -- Queeg (talk) 20:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

On Wikisource

Would you be interested in making an "On Wikisource" template? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

My friend Rocket000 is in vacation. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 06:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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Please restore

Hi! You deleted File:Gramtrans logo 25px.png

• 19:28, 29 Aŭg. 2010 Rocket000 (Diskuto | kontribuoj) forigis "File:Gramtrans logo 25px.png" ‎ (Exact or scaled-down duplicate: File:Gramtrans logo.png) (global usage; delinker log)

I am sorry, but File:Gramtrans logo 25px.png is needed by eo:Ŝablono:Projektoj which cannot show File:Gramtrans logo.png. eo:Ŝablono:Projektoj is included in thousand of pages in eo:WP. Thanks --Arno Lagrange ✉ 09:06, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please restore

Hi! You deleted File:Gramtrans logo 25px.png

• 19:28, 29 Aŭg. 2010 Rocket000 (Diskuto | kontribuoj) forigis "File:Gramtrans logo 25px.png" ‎ (Exact or scaled-down duplicate: File:Gramtrans logo.png) (global usage; delinker log)

I am sorry, but File:Gramtrans logo 25px.png is needed by eo:Ŝablono:Projektoj which cannot show File:Gramtrans logo.png. eo:Ŝablono:Projektoj is included in thousand of pages in eo:WP. Thanks

I re-uploaded the file. Please don't delete it again. See for example eo:Marata_lingvo#Eksteraj_ligiloj --Arno Lagrange ✉ 09:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Rocket isn't active any more (regrettably). Try COM:UNDEL if you need files to be restored. --  Docu  at 09:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

File:Gramtrans logo 25px.png is seemingly not used anywhere! The big problem is that this file is not included in the usual manner but via CSS!! IMHO opinion we get into severe trouble when allowing to keep an downsized version of another picture just to adjust the size. Next project might want a File:Gramtrans logo 26px.png or [[File:Gramtrans logo 24px.png ... with no end in sight! a×p_de^Hello! 22:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Synonyms

Would you please take a look at this template. Maybe I am using it wrong, but the outcome is not the best, as it does not group the names+authors. Please check Category:Vriesea sanguinolenta and you see what I mean. Uleli (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

• By the way, I've made template:WSSN to refer to synonyms in Wikispecies rather than listing them in commons. As you might know, these lists tend to vary and might be easier in the future to keep Wikispecies up to date. A consensus between Commons and Wikispecies would be preferable Uleli (talk) 20:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC).

Hello, Rocket000 is in wikibreak but I am like its padawan.

What is wrong with {{SN}} ?

I don't really understand the part about "it does not group the names+authors".

About {{WSSN}}, you should know that is not really liked in commons.

I added many thousand {{wikispecies}} but I see that many contributor suppress or comment them.

I must confess, that I always find strange that wikispecies rarely provides its sources and never its classification (like APGIII in botanic).

Best regards Liné1 (talk) 17:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

The point of listing synonyms here is to aid in search. Also, interwiki-ing, maintenance, and to inform editors how certain names are treated (to avoid conflicting classifications). We don't need to list every single documented one, only those that have potential to still be used on other sites (like Wikipedia). I only link to 'Species if it has anything useful there (some Coleoptera pages, for example, are very thorough and referenced), not as a habit. Sometimes en.wp is better or a third-party site. Rocket000 (talk) 08:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of The idea of having intelligent col= default value ? Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

will be active again soon

Yes, welcome back!
Ps: you should have said "I will be back" ;-)
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Padawan Liné1. Yeah, I'll be active again here soon. Technically, I am "back" as of now :) but I won't be that active for awhile yet. Thanks for helping take care of things while I've been away. I see you have made many improvements with templates and all that. I really need a refresher course on all this taxo stuff (and templates in general) - it's amazing all the little things you can forget if you stop using them day-to-day. Thinking of all the stuff I used to be involved with here is a bit overwhelming. I think I might have to focus on one specific area for awhile just to get back in the swing of things and catch up on everything that has progressed since I've been away. See you around! Rocket000 (talk) 07:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I will prepare a small summary of the templates changes. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 08:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll appreciate that. Thanks! Rocket000 (talk) 08:10, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

10minutes that you are back and you already correct many of my mistakes ;-)

You will find here some of our latest improvments.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 09:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Good stuff. Glad to see those string manipulation templates make there way over here. I discovered them a couple years ago on en.wp and knew the potential they had, but at the time they were still in development and I couldn't figure out a way to make it work for strings of variable length. {{str find}} is the piece of the puzzle I was missing and your example here is exactly the stuff I dreamt of doing. Can't wait to have fun with that. The direction {{taxonavigation}} is heading with the include parameter is awesome and a bit scary. I thought about doing that once (putting the higher classifications directly in the template and automating the categories) but dismissed the idea as overambitious especially since taxonomy is so unstable at the top. Not to mention that previous effort in botany that didn't work out so well (abandoned and left us with a mess). So I decided to do it small-scale (i.e. {{Lepidoptera}} followed by {{Coleoptera}}). Order seemed to be the perfect rank to balance accessibility (for others) and manageability (for me and a few others that were maintaining this area). Any lower and there would be way too many templates to keep track of and any higher would be to difficult to maintain. As you know, classifications need to be updated and revised constantly. Putting a good portion of it in a template makes it centralized so it's much easier to change en masse, however, it also makes it less user-friendly when casual editors simply want to change the category but don't know how since it's generated by some intimidating template that may even be protected. I'm curious as to how it's going so far and if you have any plans to go lower than class. Rocket000 (talk) 13:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Not trying to hijack the thread but great to see you around :) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 10:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Thread is hijacked. Pleased to see you here, we old timers need to support each other ;) Patrícia ^msg 20:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Good news. Welcome back. --  Docu  at 05:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey, this is my welcome thread ;-) Liné1 (talk) 05:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hijackers should beware.

Hey everyone. Good to see you too. Thanks for reminding me why I like this place. Rocket000 (talk) 13:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Eyes

I required your eyes several weeks ago and still do. -- Queeg (talk) 23:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

My eyes?! What do you want my eyes for? :p Rocket000 (talk) 13:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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  Question #1

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If I had ever seen an international conflict where one side was completely wrong/evil and the other side was completely correct/good, I might have enjoyed it -- that remains to be seen and is probably like the scientific theory of an "ideal" anything which is theoretical and will never actually exist.

So, those are crappy videos from helicopters in Iraq, perhaps the enormous focal length makes up the video quality.

Question #1: The man behind the building is pointing a 1) telescope, 2) portable planetarium, 3) poster storage tube, 4) gun, 5) cheap golf bag or 6) an architectural plan at the camera?

Question #2: The men entering the building in the beginning and loitering outside of the building towards the end are carrying 1) telescopes, 2) portable planetariums, 3) poster storage tubes, 4) guns, 5) cheap golf bags or 6) architectural plans at the camera?

I realize that there is not much difference between a poster storage tube and a properly stored architectural plan; my quiz is lacking credible "things that appear tubular" items. -- Queeg (talk) 15:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Based on the video footage alone, I would say it's impossible to tell. But you want a guess. The second one when the guy in the center swings the object around as he walks (0:45) comes the closest to something recognizable. It does look like a firearm to me but maybe I would see something different if I wasn't looking through a gun scope at people from the air. Looks like war so guns would be quite appropriate given the setting. Or did you want me to attach circumstantial evidence and opinion to my answer? To that, I ask why are you asking me? Rocket000 (talk) 16:33, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Why you? Why not?

The third video I added is the reason I came here (then) to find out what you saw in the unmarked videos. -- Queeg (talk) 16:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Template

I wonder if you can help. I've tried to make this template (Fohy) and it show the parent species of a named plant hybrid. As it works now it can show two parents:

Formula hybridae: parent 1 author × parent 2 author 2

But sometimes three or even more parent species are involved. How do I write to get a flexible template... if the is a third or fourth parent? You you help me?Uleli (talk) 19:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I made it so it allows for a third parent species. I don't know how many more you want to add but you just need to add another #if expression for each species. Rocket000 (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki_talk:Copyright

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Cigaritis and synonyms

Hi. Please look at the entry I have put on Category talk:Cigaritis, which is a quote from Williams, Afrotropical Lepidoptera. Most specialists in this area, and I count myself as one, now follow Heath, 2002, and regard both Apharitis and Spindasis as junior to and synonymous with Cigaritis. I notice that you have given priority to Apharitis, but would seek your agreement to conform to the references shown and include Apharitis under Cigaritis. I have already made appropriate changes to Category:Spindasis, as you will see if you look. I have also recently uploaded a number of new images to pad out the oriental species of Cigaritis. Thanks for considering this, Alan.

Refs

• Heath, A., Newport, M.A., & Hancock, D., 2002. The butterflies of Zambia. African Butterfly Research Institute and The Lepidopterists’ Society of Africa. i-xvii, 1-137.
• Williams, M. Afrotropical Butterflies.
• Savela Funet.

ACCassidy (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

You're the expert ;) feel free to fix/update anything I have done regarding Lepidoptera. I'm a bit busy right now but I do plan to return to this area (with some new literature) and can't wait to go through all the new images. If you want me to change or rename any categories for you, simply drop me a note and it'll be my first task when I have the time to resume my daily work here. Regards and thanks for your work, Rocket000 (talk) 03:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Ships_by_name_by_type

 

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Badzil (talk) 20:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't really like your modification of {{taxasource}}

Providing "source=tolweb|name=Nymphalis/70342|urlencode=false" cannot be documented in anyway, because it is too awfull. By the way, it would not work if the name needs a urlencode (like a species or a name with a strange character).
There are 3 ways of doing what you want:

• you can provide your own url, with existing option |ref=<whateveryourwant>.
• you provide {{species}} with |source=tolweb and if needed, you can provide additional {{tolweb}}. Templates like {{tolweb}} (see here the list of them) have the big advantage to be able to provide multiple urls (for mirrors, for links to sub pages...). They also have the advantage to be documented, where your |name=Nymphalis/70342|urlencode=false must be documented in a sub sub template difficult to find for {{species}} users.
  
• we could enhance {{species}}... & {{Taxasource}} with an additional optional |sourceid= that could be used in conjunction to some |sources=. |sourceid= being optional means that {{Taxasource}} will have to provide 2 urls for sources like tolweb: one to tolweb mainpage if |sourceid= is not provided + one to tolweb specific page if |sourceid= is provided. I will look at all our sources if this would solve all url possibilities. For Category:Nymphalis the parameters would only be "source=tolweb|sourceid=Nymphalis/70342". I would document in {{Taxasource/doc}} for each source if |sourceid= can be provided and which what value.

Could we discuss this before ?
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 10:22, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's so bad about my approach. Maybe |urlencode=false isn't the prettiest way to do it, but basically I think there should be a simple way to have unaltered text regardless of the source. I don't want to have to remember what sources can have sourceid or not. In the "source=tolweb|sourceid=Nymphalis/70342" example, I didn't want two urls or {{tolweb}} (why link to the site twice?). How is "source=tolweb|sourceid=Nymphalis/70342" any different? You still need to use and extra parameter and you still have to turn of the urlencoding. You don't need to document anything.. I'm sure it's a rare case. My changes didn't affect any current use whatsoever so I didn't think discussion was necessary. Sorry. I know it's your baby. ;) You can undo it if you want. Rocket000 (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I wonder if {{urlencode:{{{name}}}|WIKI}} would work. I'm not familiar with it but it doesn't change slashes.

Test:

{{urlencode:äbc/x yz|query}} → %C3%A4b+c%2Fxyz (this is the default)

{{urlencode:äbc/x yz|wiki}} → %C3%A4bc/x_yz

Rocket000 (talk) 04:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I was proposing "source=tolweb|sourceid=70342"

• "source=tolweb|name=Nymphalis/70342|urlencode=false" is much longer than "source=tolweb|sourceid=70342"
• for a species it would be "source=tolweb|name=Nymphalis_stamatis/70342|urlencode=false" vs "source=tolweb|sourceid=70342"
• name=Nymphalis/70342 is ugly because name is no more a name (you must document that it contains the website id), whereas sourceid is really an id
• You have to document name=Nymphalis/70342 for tolweb and the other tricks for other sources. For sourceid, I would just have a single global phrase + a column saying that you can use sourceid=
• You cannot make |name= work for FishBase (or any other source ?). Whereas I wanted to do "if sourceid then htpp://...id=sourceid else htpp://mainpageoffishbase But this cannot be done by a trick arround |name= nor urlencode.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but then you're making the template too smart. If another exception/abnormality comes up you'll have to make another parameter, and another and another for every exception for every website. Whereas my way, I simply told the template to turn urldecode off on command. It wouldn't matter what the input was. If it Nymphalis/70342 or Nymphalis/70342/34534 or Nymphalis/7/03/42/abc it would work as intended. With sourceid, we're back to the same problem where it expects a specific format. Would I have to then add a urldecode switch for sourceid? Or create yet another parameter?

Of course, it's highly unlikely tolweb will create urls like Nymphalis/7/03/42/abc in time soon, but I think making code data-agnostic is good practice. It shouldn't assume too much on how people will use it to stay flexible. Anyway, I reverted my changes and used ref, which is good enough for me. If we add anything like urldecode=false it should work with spaces and weird characters too. Rocket000 (talk) 07:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I have checked all the 19 usages of source=tolweb. It does not work for Hiodontidae nor Category:Nymphalis. So I don't know if we really need to solve this small issue. Liné1 (talk) 10:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

No we don't. I just wanted a workaround and didn't know about 'ref'. Rocket000 (talk) 10:09, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Gallery

The gallery should be as complete as possible. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 07:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Sure, but the templates you used were specifically designed for category pages. They categorize and aid in bot work. Placing them on non-categories messes this system up. Also, how useful is to copy and paste redundant data on multiple pages? Personally, I think galleries should be about the individual images, and the category is the place for info about the group as a whole (taxonomy), but you may use {{taxonavigation}} if you wish. Rocket000 (talk) 07:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The gallery accedible directly by the various wiki articles, and can be viewed without users having to search through the category. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 08:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Most wiki pages link to the category via {{commonscat}} since they are much more likely to exist and contain more images (galleries tend to go unmaintained). But we don't need to debate galleries vs. categories. Feel free to do anything you want to them, just please don't use {{Lepidoptera}} or {{Coleoptera}} as they belong to a certain category system. Rocket000 (talk) 08:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Why do you keep adding them? Rocket000 (talk) 08:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I totally agree. Some people put a lot of info (Taxonavigation,VN,SN,Subtaxon list,references) on galleries only, others on categories only. I put info in both (not much better I agree ;-)).

But as in the category/article war it is category who won (I can explain it if you wish) => There will always be a category and not always a gallery.

So it seems better to put info in categories only + put pictures-gallery in galleries.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 09:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Good thing you have a bot to help you cause you're doubling your work. ;) I don't know why no one ever picked up on my idea about how it doesn't have to be a category vs. gallery thing. The both can contain exclusive info. Categories are about the group as a whole (taxonomy, synonyms, vn). Galleries are about the images themselves (descriptions, organization, feature/quality/valued image seals, etc). I guess it's just easier to copy one page to another.. Still don't understand why people are making single image "galleries". Every image already has it's own page. I was really hoping we would have made some progress with this while I was away. Rocket000 (talk) 09:23, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Some people like galleries because they can follow the modifications of the galleries when you cannot follow the content of a category.

The pro-galleries said that you should not have species-category but only species-galleries.

But as I said, during the war the categories won, so we now create all species-categories, rendering species-galleries almost useless. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 10:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

{{IUCN}}

Hello my friend,
Did you ever see the result of {{IUCN}}: Category:Species by IUCN Red List category.
It now contains more than 5000 species cat + 2800 species articles!
Only the french version fr:Catégorie:Statut UICN does better thanks to my tool WikiBioReferences being widely used in fr.wikimedia.
By the way, I created {{Single}} that already has 900 usages in 2 weeks.
Cheers [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User_talk:Liné1|talk]]) (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Good work! I have been meaning to use {{IUCN}} more but always forget about it. What happened to your signature? Rocket000 (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

You really need to use my tool WikiBioReferences.

I promise any modification you need ;-) Like insect references.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

{{Taxonavigation/taxon}}

Hello Rocket, your last modification introduced a bug. Could you look at Template talk:Taxonavigation/taxon where I gave the correction. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Come on my friend: some thousand of articles have a title prefixed by :

We need to act quickly.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 10:34, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done fixed in the meantime :-) --:bdk: 12:02, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Interesting idea

Hello my friend,
About the war 'category vs articles' and the question what should we put in categories and what in articles:
User:Kersti Nebelsiek has an idea that seems very interesting:

• In the category he puts [[Category:<parentTaxon>]] into a <noinclude>..</noinclude>

  See Category:Melanogrammus aeglefinus

• In the article he puts {{:Category:<Taxon>}} and nothing more except the gallery

  See Melanogrammus aeglefinus

What do you think of it?
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 14:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Stumbled on this. I think it is a neat idea. Avoids maintenance of a lot of redundant work. But it is complicated to understand for users, who do not know about template tags and transclusion. --Slaunger (talk) 21:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I like it. Slaunger sums up the problems and benefits nicely, I think. Good documentation would help users understand it. But initially, many will find it opaque. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:20, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Someone (Orchi I think) suggested this idea to me a long time ago. While it would greatly reduce the amount of redundant work, it would greatly increase the amount of redundant content as a result. The idea of making it easier to maintain the unfortunate status quo never appealed to me. On a technical level, it's pretty hackish. (Hacks can be quite convenient, interesting or neat but are prone to big unforeseen problems and are usually more work in the end, especially in an environment such as this). People are not going to noinclude stuff properly, like categories, maintenance tags and other things only meant for the page they added it to. They probably won't be aware what they are editing is transcluded somewhere else.

Personally I have no desire to move in this direction as I see duplicating content a complete waste of human resource. Making a broken system more efficient makes it more efficiently broken. ;)

But if you guys really want to pursue something like this, I think a Taxon namespace idea is a bit more practical. Just make it impossible to use on Image pages please. Rocket000 (talk) 08:40, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

On second thought, I see your point with avoiding duplicate information. And that the problem is that the redundant gallery category system is, in essence, a broken system. --Slaunger (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I noticed, that we don't have have enough people to maintain both - gallery and category page information. In the birds it is usually Liné1, who does the work, to maintain the basic information on category pages, but he doesnt manage to do all - from time to time I stumble over a category page which has old information, or no basic information at all. Gallery pages are usually not maintained and therefore the informaton there usually is very old. Therefore using the category page information is the only way to get them maintained. Kersti (talk) 12:38, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Will create problems after bot moves. --Foroa (talk) 14:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Any idea what bot could be impacted ?

• bots for interwiki could be an issu on article including

what else ? Cheers Liné1 (talk) 14:12, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Most bots using the py framework, Category:Commons pywikipedia bots including SieBot, tend to regroup categories together without taking into account little details such as include, includeonly, ... Luckily, they rarely move templates that almost always create problems. --Foroa (talk) 14:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Is there any problem with working without the noinclude tags - than all gallery pages would be in the parent category too, with the same sort key as the cat, but I think, for users it may be no problem, if it is like this, many may think that they prefer to choose between gallery and category there. --Kersti (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

That may be true, but the problem isn't maintaining duplicate information but having duplicate information in the first place. Taking Category:Melanogrammus aeglefinus and Melanogrammus aeglefinus as an example, redirecting the gallery would solve the problem beautifully. But what about when that hypothetical someone wants to add a little feature picture badge or textual information to one particular image, you ask? Or arrange the images in a certain way? Well, <gallery> tags work on category pages too. Don't like the idea of showing galleries above category listings of the same images together? __NOGALLERY__ can help that. Now, I'm not suggesting we redirect all galleries to their category, but for cases when there's real no point in creating a gallery (one or two images, no visible difference like in the example given above, no additional content to add, etc.) a redirect is the only thing that makes sense to me. When someone wants to create a proper gallery, such as the ones Orchi creates, then it's ok change that redirect into something that compliments (in contrast to competes with) the category. Rocket000 (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

You are right, concerning these small gallery pages without additional information, especially as they unsually don't contain all pictures in the category and therefore it is contraproductive to have them. But that are not the pages I made up. I made genus pages and family pages like Fringillidae, Paridae, Corvus (genus), Cyanistes -- Kersti (talk) 17:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I like that idea a lot Rocket. It makes perfect sense for me. --Slaunger (talk) 17:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I mentioned the idea here as well. --Slaunger (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

And that's about the same (lack of) response I always get when I start offering up these crazy ideas that fall between the two extremes. ;) Rocket000 (talk) 20:37, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

How very sad that we could not agree on this:

• I will not be able to use that good idea => I will have to do my work twice (most of the galleries I see have duplicates info from their cat).
• But Kersti continues to insert <noinclude> => bots will still have an issue with the <noinclude>.

I corrected mine to detect the problem. Liné1 (talk) 07:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

(Sorry, been busy again.) I think we need a more satisfying conclusion here or at least get more of the community involved before doing anymore category transclusions and noincludes... For the record, I'm against it of course, but whatever the case, we really need to all be on the same page. It's like how we got into this category/gallery mess in the first place, everyone just doing their own thing. :/ (I've been a little guilty of that myself in the past, who hasn't?, but this isn't just some minor formatting or template order preference we're talking about. It's kind of a big change.) Rocket000 (talk) 20:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Related to this, I have opened a thread at Commons talk:Categories, where I have referred to this discussion. --Slaunger (talk) 23:16, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

It turns out that the sentence I have a problem with in the galleries guideline was introduced by you in 2009. Do you recall, if you a specifc reason in mind at the time for introducing it in the galleries guidelines? --Slaunger (talk) 09:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

What sentence? It looks like I was just rearranging stuff in that diff. Rocket000 (talk) 17:17, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The sentence "A single image on a page is not a gallery". I believe that was introduced in the (otherwise very good) restructuring. But I do understand your confusion as I linked to the wrong discussion page above. Sorry about that. I meant Commons talk:Galleries, and the issue with the sentence has been resolved now by introducing some exceptions to the rule (still a broken system though). --Slaunger (talk) 07:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

But a single image is not a gallery. Galleries, by definition, are multiple images... I'm confused what you take issue with. Rocket000 (talk) 02:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, I'm didn't read Commons talk:Galleries. Rocket000 (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hiddencat

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CFD on cat:Pictures_and_images and similar

As someone who has edited several subcats of Category:Pictures and images, please see the (non-) discussion (not) going on at Commons:Categories for discussion/2012/02#Category:Pictures and images (and the 9 nominations following it), if you haven't already, and comment there if you wish. Thanks. - dcljr (talk) 01:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Can you help?

Hello Rocket000, some times ago tried Liné1 to solve my following problem:
Do you see a way to help? Best greetings. Orchi (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Template in Wikispecies

Salu Liné1, can you help again, please?: Wikispecies Template:WCL: [1].
I used your directlink to KEW. Unfortunately there is a problem with the × in the nothospecies (e.g.: Cattleya × ballantiniana).
Cheers. Orchi (talk) 20:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Of cours my friend. It was simple. Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Salu Liné1, thanks for your quick answer. You made a result only for Cattleya × ballantiniana. Do you see an automatic way for all nothospecies or hybrids with the sign: × in the title?
I try to modify my question: Is there a way to create the urlencode without the × = "4|{{PAGENAME without ×}}" for this link:
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do?page=quickSearch&plantName={{urlencode:{{{4|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}} {{{5|''{{{4|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''}}} ?

(I know my trouble with complex questions in english) Cheers. Orchi (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I think we can do what you want Liné1 (talk) 18:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello my friend,

I tried to solve your problem with {{Nothospeciescleaner}} and see the result in Template:Kew list/testcases.

But I totally failed.

The problem can be seen in Template:Kew list/testcases: {{urlencode:{{str right|Cattleya × ballantiniana|10}}}} has a bad result.

Maybee we could ask for help?

I could explain the problem to someone else

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 07:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I am not experienced with the string manipulation templates yet. I will try some things but I can't promise anything. Rocket000 (talk) 02:23, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

....I thank you very much first. Greetings. Orchi (talk) 09:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

New idea by User:Kersti_Nebelsiek

Hello my friend,
Just to tell you that User:Kersti_Nebelsiek had the idea to make a template per species for vernaculare name translation.
See his idea here.
Cheers Liné1 (talk) 13:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I have added a discussion here and there.

Cheers Liné1 (talk) 08:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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{{Assessments}}

Template has been updated. I am curious what you think of the modifications. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 20:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

{{move}}

Hi. Would you be able to improve the {{move}} template?

• the template {{move}} allows to state the reason as the second parameter. It should be transfered also as the third parameter of the prepared bot command.
• It would be usefull to add a new parameter to tag controversial (opposed) move requests. Such requests should be categorizied in a separate subcategory instead in the subcategories by date.

Thank You. --ŠJů (talk) 22:53, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

hi

I notice a problem with a picture, the problem is shown here File:Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement svg display anomaly.png. The problem presents itself when the original image is scaled. It shows on firefox on ubuntu, and I'm not sure where else just yet. I thought you may wish to know. Penyulap ☏ 05:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)